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Time to Shoot the Second Amendment: It's time for the war on terror to take away our guns (POLL)
About.com ^ | 10-17-02 | John Aravosis

Posted on 10/17/2002 5:43:05 AM PDT by SJackson

Now that the 11th innocent civilian has been mowed down by a sniper in northern Virginia, it's time for the Bush Administration to get serious about the war on terror.

Since September 11, the president and his attorney general have told us that we must give up some of our cherished civil liberties in order to stop the "evil ones" intent on murdering innocent American men, women and children. And while the White House has done a bang-up job of watering down the First (free speech and assembly), Fourth (search and seizure), Fifth (due process) and Eighth (excess bail and fines, cruel and unusual punishment) Amendments to the Constitution to further the war on terror, there's one Amendment they refuse to touch. It's the one that puts all those guns on the streets in the first place: the Second Amendment right to bear arms.

Now, I've never been much of an anti-gun nut. I worry about crime as much as the next guy, and particularly with the latest sniper scare in the DC suburbs, I admit that there's something comforting about the prospect of having my own gun. But there's also something comforting about knowing that my government can't tap my phone simply because they don't like my politics, arrest me in secret, keep me from seeing an attorney, or hold me indefinitely without ever charging me of a crime or going before a judge. But to date, I haven't spoken out about any of the infringements on those constitutional rights because I spent September 11, 2001 watching the Pentagon burn outside my living room window, and realized I had more pressing things to worry about.

Is the Second Amendment a Suicide Pact?

It's been said too many time since 9/11, but rings no less true today: The Constitution is not a suicide pact. But this Administration seems think the Second Amendment is.

While the Bush Administration has been willing to infringe on the 1st, 4th, 5th and 8th Amendments to the Constitution, they have outright refused to do a thing about guns. Well, that's not completely true. At the same time the Administration's war on terror has been restricting constitutional rights across the board, John Ashcroft's Justice Department has actually been increasing the rights of gun owners. Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) explained this past May that:

"For over sixty years, the Justice Department has interpreted the Second Amendment as applying to those with a reasonable relationship to a well regulated militia. Now, in a stunning reversal of long-held policy, the Justice Department has argued before the Supreme Court that the Constitution broadly protects the rights of individuals to own firearms."

According to Schumer, this abrupt change in policy could hamper the efforts of prosecutors in every state of the union. (You can read more about this issue here.)

Ashcroft Refuses to Search Gun Record for Terrorists

The Bush's Administration's knee-jerk fear of doing anything to restrict the Second Amendment is having real-world consequences in the war on terror. The Washington Post reports that shortly after September 11, 2001, the Justice Department began searching the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) for the names of suspected terrorists (i.e., the FBI was comparing the names of suspected terrorists against federal gun purchase records). But that search was short-lived, according to the Post, as "Justice officials in mid-October (2001) ordered a halt to the effort, arguing that the search appeared to violate the federal law that set up the background check system."

But that excuse simply wasn't true. The Post goes on to report that on October 1, 2001 - a few weeks before the decision to halt the background check search - an internal Justice Department memo written by Deputy Assistant Attorney General Sheldon Bradshaw concluded that "we see nothing in the NICS regulations that prohibits the FBI from deriving additional benefits from checking audit log records" in conjunction with the Sept. 11 probe. The memo goes on to note that the FBI had used the NICS before in other circumstances, and noted that the bureau had used the NICS before in this way. (Read more about this issue here).

In other words, Ashcroft lied to protect the gun-owner constituency at the expense of the war on terror.

Nukes Don't Kill People

Which begs the question: Why didn't the Attorney General use the wealth of information in the NICS database to look for potential terrorists hell-bent on killing millions of Americans? Because the Bush Administration seems to believe that every amendment to the Constitution takes a back seat to the war on terror, except the Second Amendment. Why an exception for this one particular constitutional right, in the face of the greatest threat the nation has faced in 60 years? No answer - though the letters NRA come to mind.

While driving with a friend this past weekend in suburban Maryland, and making sure we pumped our gas in DC before crossing the state line, I thought of the pro-gun adage: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." And I wondered how President Bush and Attorney General Ashcroft would respond to Saddam Hussein if the Iraq dictator went before the United Nations and argued that there's no problem with rogue states having weapons of mass destruction because, after all:

"Nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people."

Putting Special Interests Before National Security

The proliferation of deadly weapons is as much a problem in Alexandria, Virginia as it is in Alexandria, Egypt. I'm not saying that we need to ban all guns or repeal the entire Second Amendment, but using the defense of the Second Amendment as an excuse to not search available gun databases for terrorists? That's criminally negligent.

President Bush recently accused Senate Democrats of worrying more about special interests than the security of the American people. Here's the president's chance to prove that he doesn't suffer from the same problem.

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Should Congress Repeal the Second Amendment?
Yes
No
Not sure


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1 posted on 10/17/2002 5:43:05 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: *bang_list
BTW, the poll in the middle of the page currently stands at:

Should Congress Repeal the Second Amendment?

Yes (153) 1%

No (14863) 98%

Not sure (10) 0% Total Votes: 15026

2 posted on 10/17/2002 5:44:49 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
There's evil murderous thugs out there - we better disarm ourselves, just to be safe.
3 posted on 10/17/2002 5:47:32 AM PDT by dead
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To: SJackson
What a lame-brain this guy is!
4 posted on 10/17/2002 5:48:38 AM PDT by basil
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To: basil
He's a candidate for one of those 'No Guns in This House' signs
5 posted on 10/17/2002 5:49:57 AM PDT by libertynews
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To: SJackson
Should Congress Repeal the Second Amendment?

This, God willing, will never happen. Evn if it did, it would then fall upon each state to do the same, or not. The same goes for abortion. How I hate the gun fearing sheeple.

6 posted on 10/17/2002 5:58:37 AM PDT by Puppage
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To: SJackson
I wonder if these dimwits realize that the Congress CANNOT repeal the 2nd Amendment?
7 posted on 10/17/2002 6:00:50 AM PDT by Rifleman
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To: SJackson
The Post goes on to report that on October 1, 2001 - a few weeks before the decision to halt the background check search - an internal Justice Department memo written by Deputy Assistant Attorney General Sheldon Bradshaw concluded that "we see nothing in the NICS regulations that prohibits the FBI from deriving additional benefits from checking audit log records" in conjunction with the Sept. 11 probe.

Exscrewz me...Section 103...

(i) PROHIBITION RELATING TO ESTABLISHMENT OF REGISTRATION SYSTEMS WITH RESPECT TO FIREARMS- No department, agency, officer, or employee of the United States may--
(1) require that any record or portion thereof generated by the system established under this section be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or political subdivision thereof; or (2) use the system established under this section to establish any system for the registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions or dispositions, except with respect to persons, prohibited by section 922 (g) or (n) of title 18, United States Code or State law, from receiving a firearm.

Not to mention, Sec. 201...

(B) Except in the case of forms and contents thereof regarding a purchaser who is prohibited by subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 of this title from receipt of a firearm, the department of State police or State law enforcement agency or local law enforcement agency of the local jurisdiction shall not disclose any such form or the contents thereof to any person or entity, and shall destroy each such form and any record of the contents thereof no more than 20 days from the date such form is received. No later than the date that is 6 months after the effective date of this subparagraph, and at the end of each 6-month period thereafter, the department of State police or State law enforcement agency or local law enforcement agency of the local jurisdiction shall certify to the Attorney General of the United States that no disclosure contrary to this subparagraph has been made and that all forms and any record of the contents thereof have been destroyed as provided in this subparagraph.'.

The Brady Law

Now...WHO is the liar?

8 posted on 10/17/2002 6:12:17 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: SJackson
Thankfully, the President does have a special interest......IT'S THE CONSTITUTION, STUPID.
9 posted on 10/17/2002 6:13:10 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: SJackson
Now, I've never been much of an anti-gun nut.

!! ANTI-GUN NUT LIAR ALERT !!

"Gun grabber, 10 o'clock sharp!"
"Target acquired!"
10 posted on 10/17/2002 6:15:33 AM PDT by thedugal
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To: Rifleman
We all know that, but they think, "Well, prohibition was repealed," actually believing that the 18th amendment was a part written at the same time as the second amendment.
I like polls like this..
11 posted on 10/17/2002 6:16:19 AM PDT by RandallFlagg
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To: libertynews
He's a candidate for one of those 'No Guns in This House' signs.

10-4. Actually, fools like this should receive just such a sign in his front yard, free of charge. Can we get this guy's address?

12 posted on 10/17/2002 6:20:15 AM PDT by toddst
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To: SJackson
And another thing...

"Nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people."

Saddam is a killer, he has proven that to be true. Just as some gun owners should not own a weapon (mentally ill, criminals), some leaders should not own nukes.

13 posted on 10/17/2002 6:20:21 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: SJackson; All

About this bozo:

John Aravosis, who heads an Internet consulting firm called Wired Strategies, and is active in gay rights issues . . .

14 posted on 10/17/2002 6:25:29 AM PDT by dighton
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To: Rifleman
I wonder if these dimwits realize that the Congress CANNOT repeal the 2nd Amendment?

Most people, including many freepers, do not understand this, and will argue with you all day over it. None of the Bill Of Rights can be repealed.

15 posted on 10/17/2002 6:27:33 AM PDT by FreeTally
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To: Rifleman
"I wonder if these dimwits realize that the Congress CANNOT repeal the 2nd Amendment?"

Well, only if 2/3 of each house so vote, and 3/4 of the legislatures of the states also agree. Kind of unlikely, though, which is why the gungrabbers keep trying to find some/any means of bypassing the Constitution.

16 posted on 10/17/2002 6:27:36 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: dighton
That explains so much.
17 posted on 10/17/2002 6:28:17 AM PDT by dead
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To: SJackson
IT'S 19 DAYS 'TIL THE ELECTION

WHAT ARE YOU DOING TODAY TO HELP TAKE BACK THE SENATE?

YOU CAN HELP, TODAY. GO TO:

TakeBackCongress.org

A resource for conservatives who want a Republican majority in the Senate

18 posted on 10/17/2002 6:28:25 AM PDT by ffrancone
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To: FreeTally
I do not understand that. I do not recall reading that the first ten amendments have a special "unrepealable" status.

What are you basing that on?

19 posted on 10/17/2002 6:29:51 AM PDT by dead
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To: SJackson
"The memo goes on to note that the FBI had used the NICS before in other circumstances, and noted that the bureau had used the NICS before in this way. (Read more about this issue here)."

I went to the original article and read "this issue here". It is true that the FBI used the NICS before in this manner, but here's what happened:

"On Sept. 16 (2001), the FBI began checking a list of 186 people against the gun records, an FBI spokesman said. The search yielded two matches, or "hits," meaning that the individuals had been approved to buy guns.

But the next day, Assistant Attorney General Viet Dinh ruled that continued use of the records was prohibited by law.

In October (2001), the FBI sought to check a smaller list of names against the gun purchase documents and was again refused, the spokesman said."
By Peter Slevin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 7, 2001; Page A26

So, this author is trying to make the case that the FBI did the same thing before -- but leaves out the fact that they were refused!

20 posted on 10/17/2002 6:33:02 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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