Five-year old boy raped by 2 fifth grade boys, family sues Board of Ed

Cleveland Plain Dealer ^ | 10/17/02 | James F. McCarty

[fone]

***UPDATE***

The local CBS channel noon news program had cameras out at the school as parents were dropping off their kids this morning, asking if they had "heard" about the incident. They interviewed a couple who has a young girl in the school.

Check this out: Some parents received a letter (recently, one woman who has a girl in the class was reading from it) the teacher stated that the children IN CLASS that day witnessed an "inappropriate" sexual act (???) but they were "not to worry because" the children were given (I think this is verbatim) "an appropriate explanation, and the situation will be handled in an appropriate manner" [comment: the teacher needs a thesaurus].

The parents said the school board has not given a satisfactory explanation of exacly what occurred, and will not have any comment until they investigate!!!!!!!!

IN CLASS?????

I'm off to work now, cya later...

[fone]

Check out my post #81....

[Ready2go]

What Happens When You Take God Out Of Schools

It started when Madeline Murray O'Hare
complained she didn't want any prayer
in our schools, and we said OK.

Then someone said lets tell the kids they
are nothing more then animals...that "survial
of the fittest" will be our creed. And we said OK.

Then someone said you better not read the
Bible in school.... the Bible that says thou
shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and
love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank
our children when they misbehave because their
little personalities would be warped and we
might damage their self-esteem. And we said,
an expert should know what he's talking
about so we said OK, we won't spank them anymore.

Then someone said teachers and principals better
not discipline our children when they misbehave.
And the school administrators said no faculty
member in this school better touch a student when
they misbehave because we don't want any bad publicity,
and we surely don't want to be sued. (There's a big
difference between disciplining and touching,
beating, smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc.)
And we accepted their reasoning.

Then someone said, let's let our daughters have
abortions if they want,and they won't even have
to tell their parents. And we said, that's a
grand idea.

Then some wise school board member said, since
boys will be boys and they're going to do it anyway,
let's give our sons all the condoms they want, so
they can have all the fun they desire, and we won't
have to tell their parents they got them at school.
And we said, that's another great idea.

Then some of our top elected officials said it
doesn't matter what we do in private as long as
we do our jobs. And agreeing with them, we said
it doesn't matter to me what anyone, including the
President, does in private as long as I have a job
and the economy is good.

And then someone said let's print magazines with
pictures of nude women (and nude men) and call
it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the
beauty of the female and male body. And we said
we have no problem with that.

And someone else took that appreciation a step
further and published pictures of nude children
and then stepped further still by making them
available on the internet. And we said they're
entitled to their free speech.

And the entertainment industry said, let's
make TV shows and movies that promote profanity,
violence, and illicit sex.

And let's record music that encourages rape,
drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes.
And we said it's just entertainment, it has
no adverse effect, and nobody takes it
seriously anyway, so go right ahead.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children
have no conscience, why they don't know right from
wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill
strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard
enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a
great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

[tessalu]

The face of that teacher who refused to help the child, should be shown to the entire nation. You are right!

[Hank Kerchief]

IN CLASS that day witnessed an "inappropriate" sexual act (???)

What in the world would be an appropriate sexual act in a class be. That any of these parents continue to allow any of their children to be left in the hands of these evil idiots for ten minutes is unbelievable. I feel so sorry for that little boy, but why the hell was he in a public school. It is going to happen again, and again, and...

People better wake up!

Hank

[FryingPan101]

City Councilman Zachary Reed, who represents the Mount Pleasant neighborhood around the school, said the allegations are shocking, but shouldn't detract from the area's revitalization. God. Animals! I can't stand it. Poor baby. Crazy City Councilman!

[GovernmentShrinker]

Our culture has a very strong and widely accepted notion that it is actually bad and wrong to "snitch" or "tattle". Not only isn't it wrong, it's morally obligatory. Covering for wrongdoers by keeping their secrets for them is anti-social behavior, and results in the continuation of the bad behavior, to the detriment of others.

Teach your children to tattle, and to steadfastly ignore anyone who tells them it's bad. Tell them the truth -- that the only people who say it's bad to tattle, are ones who are doing wrong and have a selfish interest in protecting themselves from punishment. Where the heck did we ever get this idea that snitching/tattling is bad?

[GovernmentShrinker]

They probably know more than you think they do, but that has precious little bearing on propensity to actually do something like this.

[GovernmentShrinker]

This sort of thing is very common, but the vast majority of it is voluntary. I knew a guy in college who told me that he and his first/second grade pals did this all the time, to each other. They were all having a blast, in their little secret club. But the forcible stuff is a whole different story. And a teacher ignoring a child's complaint about it ought to land her a serious prison term -- if a kid is complaining to a teacher, it's not voluntary.

[GovernmentShrinker]

The teacher needs to get a much harsher punishment than the kids. SHE's a big a part of the environment that warped them. How are they supposed to know it's really bad, when the adult authority figures in their lives deal with reports of this behavior by telling the victim not to tattle? Their parents no doubt display the same sort of attitude.

Human beings aren't born civilized. These kids' behavior would be perfectly normal in a pack of primates. However the adults' behavior wouldn't be -- adult primates would intervene and take a big whack at the offenders.

[sockmonkey]

Refreshing comment from a lawyer!

LOL! Yes, that would be, but I'm not an attorney-I was his Social Worker. In fact, this person's attorney is screaming that if we had a democratic governor in TX, this wouldn't be happening!

[GovernmentShrinker]

A few years ago in an NYC high school, a female student was the victim of an unwanted "all the way" act during class. The teacher was present and didn't see it (her story was corroborated as very plausible by several students). A few boys just stood up in front of the proceedings to provide cover. NYC high school teachers know better than to tell students to sit down when they don't want to -- they'll be ambushed and stabbed after school.

[farmfriend]

Sounds like the boy was raped 11 times, 10x by the boys and 1 by the teacher.

[Malacoda]

The age of these kids should know nothing about this type of behavior unless they've been exposed to it.

...unless they got the idea from an NEA/school district-supported GLSEN/PFLAG seminar on the joys of homosexuality and "tolerance for experimentation with alternative lifestyles."

[ladylib]

But this idiot would probably raise holy hell if a kid went "bang, bang" with his fingers or drew a picture of a gun.

These people are really educriminals.

[ladylib]

It's time the parents had a press conference and divulged her name.

[Eva]

I think that you got it right. There is no other explanation for how children even know about sodomy. This is not something that should be inside a child's circle of knowledge, let alone experience.

[yendu bwam]

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

You're right on the mark, ready2go. We live in an increasingly unGodly society, and we are reaping the consequences. It's so terribly sad for all our children.

[PleaseNoMore]

I agree that your client is not a victim. I also agree that these boys are old enough to know right from wrong. My question would be are they old enough to understand the consequences of their actions?

I am sorry, but I don't fall into the thinking line of holding children responsible as adults when they commit a crime. Especially not 10 and 11 year old children. I also do not believe that long term juvenile incarceration is the answer for a child this young either. The mentality here seems to be "hang them" whenever a child does wrong and I cannot go along with that. A 10 or 11 year old child does not function as an adult ( mentally or socially ).

I also do not believe that children are born as "bad seeds". I may be a minority with this opinion but nevertheless it is my opinion. I have a child that is 11 years old and one getting ready to be 10. I can't imagine one of them thinking of doing something so awful nor can I fathom them ever being "locked away" for a long time. When an adult commits a crime ( like this or any other ) they do so knowing that they are forfeiting their life to the prison system. They do so knowing that they are breaking the law. I do not belive that a child does so with this understanding.

[Teacher317]

The NEA would probably hire a lawyer on the teacher's behalf to sue the parents for violating her rights (privacy), as well as 'reckless endangerment' (since all us right-wing wackos are loooking for someone to whack with out high-powered assault pistols).