Posted on 10/16/2002 5:12:57 PM PDT by EBUCK
****Press Release****
Fighting Irresponsible Radical Environmentalism (FIRE!) has installed a new billboard 1/2 mile north of exit 35, I-5, visible from the Northbound lanes, between Central Point and Gold Hill.
It reads:
Thank You EnvironMENTALists for Making the 2002 Fire Season All It Could Be! ****Image Attached****
Eric Buckner and numerous members of the popular conservative Internet forum, FreeRepublic.com, funded the billboard. Their purpose was to express outrage at the severity of recent Oregon wildfires due to the irresponsible and ignorant behavior of environmental activists.
Buckner explains, "It's time we brought the burden of accountability to environmentalists and their parent groups for the failure of their policies. Environmentalists, and the apologist politicians they control, bear full responsibility for the severity of the West's wildfire situation. Anytime someone is not held accountable for the results of their actions, disaster is the result."
The group believes that fire may be a part of the natural order, but not after 80 years of fire suppression, and NOT in the presence of noxious weeds. Environmentalists, in their hatred of the timber industry, have destroyed the capability to prevent such disasters.
“Tens of thousands are out of work, millions of acres are scorched and who's to blame? Environmentalists and their insane "hands-off" policies. The West has been building up to this for decades. All this time, environmentalists have barred every attempt to avert disaster. They were warned and they didn’t believe it. They appealed every ruling that went against them. They protested every battle they lost until they got their way. Well, they got their way and look where it got us. Look at the 'former' Kalmiopsis Wilderness (otherwise known as the Biscuit Fire). Look at the death and suffering of wildlife. It was totally unnecessary.”
“We have hundreds of thousands of acres, denuded as effectively as any clear-cut. After the fire, weeds are the first to recover, and spread with minimal competition from native plants. Come winter, rivers and streams will be choked with eroded mud. If it burns again in a few years, the damage may be irreversible.
“The real irony is that in their insane and misguided attempts to protect the forests, waterways, and fauna, environmentalists have sealed the fate of those very same forests, waterways, and fauna by disallowing human intervention. This isn’t about whether we care about nature. This is about who is going to fix it, how will it be paid for, how to verify and assure accountability that the job will be done right.
“We believe that private industry can do that job better than politicians, lawyers, and urban activists without a clue. Private Property rights, recreational/commercial land usage and water rights are a big issue with us. We plan to continue on the same path in the future. Perhaps doing similar things in states like Arizona, New Mexico, California and South Dakota.”
Contact: Eric Buckner. E-Mail : EBUCK@KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM
Oooohhh...the worst kind!
May there be thousands...no millions more like you!
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Again the cartoon below describes you and your Bravo Sierra replies of lust for the criminal Envirals:
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Also is this going to be posted on the website, so we can include the URL in the mail outs?
thanks so much
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You guys want to blame environmentalists because you don't like them but they are only a small part of the problem. I don't like some of them but it isn't wise to make up science and ignore the evidence of what really caused the problem.
This is rich, because you have no idea what really caused "the problem": government land control. Unconstitutional government land control is what gave those lands to the 19th Century timber barons at below market. Government land control is what induced fire suppression. Government land control is what gave us forest management by lawsuit. Worse, your solution is more of the same.
Lands logged in the past are the ones that are the most suceptible to fires now because the largest trees that can survive fires were removed and the small trees and brush were left to flurish with more light. Now they are the tinderboxes.
Even old growth forests burn and suffer severe fire mortality after eight decades of fire-suppression. Your story about fire retardant bark is in most part, a fairy tale. When the crown burns off, a pine dies. Even so, what are we supposed to do with these "tinder boxes," light them? How will that be paid for? Do you know what it costs?
The only logging used by by industry that prevents fires in the short run is clear cutting but that is so destructive to the environment that it is economically worse than no logging at all.
This is just plain false. Group selection logging, fuelbreaks, thinning, and THEN prescribed fire work far better, but that depends upon the situation too. How destructive a technique is depends upon multiple factors. Some of them are: forest type, remoteness of the location, windage, soil type, and term of fire suppression, not to mention the knowledge and care of the timber operator. Fire suppression has done damage to more things than just the forest. It shocks me that so many people who call themselves environmentalists can’t see a destroyed meadow for a stand of trees. Worse is what it does by way of water competition, drying out late season streams and killing fish habitat. Water competition also induces pest attack. Sometimes a clearcut is the BEST harvesting technique. Where windage is high, a selective cut will cause significant blowdown among the remaining trees. The point of all this is that forestry is too complex to be managed by a bunch of simplistic truisms. That is why political management, no matter how well meaning, is a disastrous policy.
Blaming envinormentalists that had almost nothing to do with the problem isn't going to solve the problem any more than blaming Bin Laden for the deficit is going to solve the deficit. It was very poor managment practices of the past that caused this. The environmentalists of today had virtually no influence on those policies.
It is only very recently that environmentalists have power to stop logging in a few managed forests.
Which is NOT to say that they haven’t been setting aside millions of acres as "preserved," making timber harvesting uneconomic by way of bogus regulations, and forcing overproduction onto smaller acreage and overseas for a VERY long time; but let’s take a look a that "recently," shall we? The National Forests were instituted by Mr. Pinchot et al. as a paean to Eastern timber interests. Setting aside the fact that forests are an unconstitutional form of Federal property, they were sold to the public as an environmental program and illegally forced through a conference committee in the dead of night. After using timber and railroad subsidies to fatten Federal coffers and drive development West (which profited Eastern bankers), we had the Roosevelt administration starting National Parks as the payoff to railroad interests, the first act of socialized eco-tourism. Because of regulations tying up harvesting of those lands so that the guys back East could harvest longleaf pine, people out West started torching the forests to get a salvage job. That brought us the CCC and Roosevelt Administration II fire suppression, in spades.
After World War II our socialized forests had serious demands to meet: subsidizing a housing boom to stave off a return to depression and save Truman’s bacon. It was so bad that they finally had to plan ahead. Eisenhower gave us the Program for America’s Forests, which planted over 700,000,000 trees annually for a number of years so that the National Forests could meet the timber demand for a nation of 330 million people by the year 2000. They really packed them in.
Well the timber companies needed to recoup their investments too and so they developed SUPERTREES and we didn’t need all that wood. They had also bought a LOT of land offshore where they didn’t have to deal with annoyances like safety rules, environmental regulations, or payroll taxes. Meanwhile, those National Forests that had given them their start were depressing their prices. So these same Eastern families started giving tax-deductible money to environmentalists to stop National Forest production and regulate their remaining competition our of business. Meanwhile, (remember, most of these families are bankers), their developer buddies made big bucks buying off distressed properties and building eco-dachas that bring in more stupid urban voters into rural areas who will help keep them in clover.
That's not what made these fires terrible. It was fire supression , first and formost , combined with short term profit taking instead of managment by the timber industry in the recent and distent past. It is the forest service that is responsible for this mess , not environmentalists.
So little do you know.
Now some missguided environmentalists block controlled burning by using the Clean Air act. that is dumb. The controlled fires wouldn't be nearely as bad as a big fir that burns everything.
Duh. Get with the programme. Environmentalism isn’t about healthy forests, it’s about using unconstitutional powers of government to control the use of resources to make money for the big players and it always has been. I wrote the book on it.
When they block logging unfortunately it has to be considered on a case by case basis because it dependes on what the loggings industries plans are. If they use these fires as an excuse to go in and take the biggest trees again while leaving the smaller ones thus making the situation worse again in the future then they should be blocked.
Drop your damned bias against logging. This kind of fire is FAR more destructive to habitat than is a clearcut. When they log they have to pay for it somehow, and that means some larger trees have to fund the work. We just don’t have the $100,000,000 to fund the pretty government forest you want without cutting some bigger trees. Group selection, fuel breaks, local power generation, and prescribed fire have a chance of helping, but guess who has spent TEN YEARS screwing up development of those processes by the Quincy Library Group?
So if what you want is case-by-case management, you won’t get it out of a political system because the overhead of dependent control freaks is just too high. You are a fool to believe these urban people who call themselves environmentalists, who get funded by playing as alarmists, get more funding if things get worse, and they have no accountability for the outcome is going to make anything better because it is just more of the same, and you are a destructive fool at that. Worse, you condescendingly think that we're a bunch of know-nothing industry advocates. Grampa Dave is a first rate fisherman and a long time advocate for improving fish habitat. I quit a career as an engineer to do something about the destructive ecological practices of government at the behest of environmental groups. All of us are lovers of nature and forests, we just don't think that the system we have is working and it is obvious whose greed is really at work here:
People like you, who want free use and control of land, including private property, without any personal investment or accountability for the outcome.
And not the sierra kind either.
EBUCK
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