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AP Finally Reports Wichita Trial... But Mentions "White Supremacist" Support
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Posted on 10/14/2002 3:43:54 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:01:26 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WICHITA, Kansas (AP) -- The grim details of how two brothers allegedly committed a nine-day crime rampage that left five people dead are being closely monitored by a community that is still shaken nearly two years after the slayings and more than a month into the brothers' murder trial.


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KEYWORDS: kansas; wichita; wichitamassacre
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To: alpowolf
The women were not the only ones raped... all of them, men and women, were raped by these animals.
21 posted on 10/14/2002 7:23:27 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe
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To: KS Flyover
ping
22 posted on 10/14/2002 7:44:45 PM PDT by Auntie Mame
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To: KS Flyover
Ping for the list

Regards

alfa6 ;>}
24 posted on 10/15/2002 12:39:43 PM PDT by alfa6
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Family of victims in quadruple killings identify stolen items


Associated Press

WICHITA, Kansas, Oct. 14 - Tania Muller stifled back tears on the witness stand Monday as she identified for prosecutors the silver watch that belonged to her slain sister.

     

     PROSECUTORS CLAIM HEATHER MULLER'S WATCH WAS FOUND in the apartment where police arrested one of the men accused of killing her.
     For more than two hours Monday, family members of four people who were killed in December 2000 identified for the court items that had belonged to their loved ones and were later found in Reginald Carr's apartment.
     Carr and his brother, Jonathan Carr, are on trial in Sedgwick County District Court for crimes stemming from a nine-day robbery and killing rampage.  Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.
     Most of the charges stem from the events of Dec. 14-15, 2000, when five friends were abducted from a Wichita home, forced to engage in sexual acts and to withdraw money from ATMs before they all were shot.  Four of them, Aaron Sander, 29; Heather Muller, 25; Brad Heyka, 27; and Jason Befort, 26, died.  Befort's girlfriend, then a 25-year-old teacher, survived.
     The Carrs also are being tried in the Dec. 11, 2000, shooting of Ann Walenta, 55, who later died, and the Dec. 7, 2000, robbery in which Andrew Schreiber was abducted and forced to withdraw cash from ATMs.
     Amy Scott testified Monday that she dated Heyka, and was last at his house the morning of Dec. 14, 2000, the same day that two armed intruders later abducted and shot the three men who lived there and two other women who were visiting them at the time.
     Scott identified Heyka's bed comforter, his television set, his cordless phone and his clothes, among other things.
     Larry Heyka took the stand as well to identify his son's billfold.  The father identified for jurors the alarm clock he gave his son for Christmas after the younger Heyka had admired the identical one his father had in his office.
     Judy Sander also testified to identify the checkered scarf her son, Aaron, liked to wear with his gray coat.  She recognized the tool set and the barbecue set she had gotten him as Christmas gifts.
     Prosecutors brought television sets and computers into the courtroom on dollies.  They also brought in racks of clothing stolen from the victims' house after they were shot and left in a soccer field.
     Most of the items were entered into evidence as family members identified the belongings.
     In testimony earlier Monday, Schreiber recalled shaking when he saw a news report of the arrest of a man accused in the fatal shootings just days after he was robbed.
     Schreiber testified that he recognized Reginald Carr as one of two men who got in his car at a convenience store and forced him to withdraw cash from ATMs.
     On cross-examination, defense attorney John Val Wachtel played for Schreiber a news clip of the arrest in the four killings.  Schreiber testified it appeared to be the same KWCH-TV footage he had seen on Dec. 15, 2000.
     But District Judge Paul Clark twice refused to allow the news clip as defense evidence because attorneys did not establish that the video clip was the exact edited footage broadcast at the time Schreiber was watching television that day.
     Monday afternoon, Toni Greene told jurors that she was just being a nosey mother when she went through the jacket pockets of a young man her teenage daughter had met at the mall days earlier.
     She found a diamond engagement ring in the pocket of Jonathan Carr's leather jacket.  He was sleeping on her living room couch at the time.
     But it was not until later that day, when she heard on television that an engagement ring had been stolen from the victims of a quadruple homicide that morning, that she connected the ring and the car parked outside her house with the crime.
     Greene gathered her daughter, Tronda Adams and a niece and went to a neighbor's house across the street.
     "I was afraid," she testified.
     She called 911.
     "I told them the guy they are looking for is in my home," she said.
     Jonathan Carr bolted from the house when police arrived and was arrested a short distance away, just hours after his brother, Reginald Carr, was arrested at his apartment.
     On Monday, Greene identified on the witness the diamond ring she saw in Jonathan Carr's pocket that day.
     It was the ring prosecutors contend was the engagement ring Jason Befort planned to give his girlfriend, the sole survivor of the shootings that left four others dead.
     Greene also identified the brothers as the two men who had been at her house the night earlier as well, leaving together sometime between 8:30 p.m. and 9 p.m., just hours before two armed intruders broke into a Wichita house and abducted the five people.

26 posted on 10/15/2002 12:48:31 PM PDT by Registered
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To: Lunatic Fringe
AP Finally Reports Wichita Trial... But Mentions "White Supremacist" Support

That's because this crime WASN'T about RACE! It was about some ANIMALS raping and murdering other human beings.

Making a crime like this about race is something Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and the Klan would do...And that is why I dispise seeing all the Harpies on Free Republic making such a big deal about it...How many threads do we have on this subject? How many Freepers are going to use this case to scream RACISM when they decry liberals for doing the very same thing?

I am ashamed by the large number of Freepers making such a big deal over this...Making such a big deal about the race of the murderers, that is. It leads me to believe that many of the people doing so are, in fact, racists or white supremists themselves...We've got way too many of these kind of people on Free Republic, in my opinion...And they taint us all with their views.

27 posted on 10/15/2002 1:29:29 PM PDT by Johnny Shear
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To: gcruse
"Well, it's not like AP made this up, is it?"

No, but they appear to be attempting to paint anyone who raises non-PC questions about race in relation to this crime as a Nazi sympathizer or at least a racist.

For instance, this quote:
"The case has become a rallying cry for white supremacist groups across the nation..."

The implication is that the only ones who are making this a rallying cry are "white supremacists." frontpagemag.com has also made this a rallying cry. Ergo, frontpagemag.com are crypto-white supremacists.
28 posted on 10/15/2002 1:36:15 PM PDT by BiffSchneider
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To: Johnny Shear
My contention was the fact that the media was not reporting on this story, possibly BECAUSE of the race issue.
29 posted on 10/15/2002 2:00:22 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe
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To: Johnny Shear
Making such a big deal about the race of the murderers, that is. It leads me to believe that many of the people doing so are, in fact, racists or white supremists themselves

Robbery and "simple" rape are one thing, but the systematic degradation of these kids before the killing, can ONLY be motivated by HATE. Now, tell me, if it wasn't racial hate, what kind of hate was it?

Freepers are disgusted with the double standard. That's about as non-racist as you can get. The media and the courts are the ones being racist here.

30 posted on 10/15/2002 2:42:00 PM PDT by Rytwyng
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To: alfa6; TroutStalker; mjaneangels@aolcom; carlo3b; dennisw; Judith Anne; AK2KX; sheik yerbouty; ...
"Wichita Massacre" murder trial "Ping List".

Please let me know if you want on (or off) this list.


31 posted on 10/15/2002 3:01:17 PM PDT by KS Flyover
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To: KS Flyover
For detais about the murders see: The Wichita Massacre

Trial Threads:
Wichita to revisit brutal slayings as testimony begins - 10/07/2002
Deputy recalls moment of discovering bodies [Wichita Murders] Day 1 - 10/07/2002
WICHITA MASSACRE TRIAL UNDERWAY Day 1 - 10/08/2002
Legal wrangling opens Carr trial [Wichita Murders] Day 1 - 10/08/2002
Carr trial: Survivor describes sexual attacks by armed intruders [Wichita Massacre] Day 2 - 10/09/2002
Witchita Case of Black Racist Crime Survivor's testimony horrifies courtroom Day 2 - 10/10/2002
Woman testifies that Carrs killed her friends in a soccer field [Wichita Massacre Day 3] - 10/10/2002
Prosecutors Downplay Racial Element in Kansas Murder Trial - 10/11/2002
Reginald Carr had $996, victims' credit card, watch [Wichita Massacre Day 4] - 10/11/2002
Wichita Massacre Audio of 911 Call by Female Survivor with Court Room Video Footage - 10/11/2002
Victims' belongings linked to defendant [Wichita Massacre Day 5] - 10/12/2002
Trial opens window into night of fear - 10/13/2002
Media Ignore Kansas Interracial Mass Murder - 10/14/2002
Nosey mom tips off cops (Wichita Massacre) Day 6 - 10/15/2002
'I was afraid,' witness says [Wichita Massacre Day 6] - 10/15/2002


32 posted on 10/15/2002 3:04:54 PM PDT by KS Flyover
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To: gcruse
When the leftwingers demonstrate, are there any names added.?????
33 posted on 10/15/2002 3:15:18 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Pal, I think your comments are right on concerning this new 501C-3 version of Christianity. Too many churches are now corporations created with the blessing of the IRS and their passivity as well as indifference to the destruction of this country reflect the "deal they made with the devil". As a pastor told me on one of my last visits to his corporate church his mission was not to offend anyone but to bring people to Christ. Well, I told him his lack of effort in confronting homosexuality, abortion and outcome-based education sure the hell offended me.
34 posted on 10/15/2002 3:23:19 PM PDT by american spirit
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To: gcruse
Well, it's not like AP made this up, is it?

When the colors are transposed, such things are called "civil rights rallies" and the people who participate are called "activists."

Apparently the only reason this is noteworthy for AP is that it has some white folks riled.

I'll speculate that, given the vagueness of the "Nazi" reference, the way it was brought up "repeatedly" was by pointing out that the press won't even talk about it when it is black on white, but tries to whip blacks into a frenzy and drive whites to mass suicide when the violence is white on black.

Note how dispassionately the article recounts the details of the crime, and how the really shocking details are omitted from this report.

Out of curiosity, since this little spree wasn't racially motivated, how many of the victims were black? I know none of the 5 in the house were, but the killers made at least two other hits. Were any of them black? No? What are the odds?

35 posted on 10/15/2002 3:24:07 PM PDT by Yeti
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To: alpowolf
Given the outrages committed against the women, one would expect NOW to be all over the TV demanding justice.

Yawn. You want outrage? Point out the fact that one of the Carr brothers shot a poor little doggie in cold blood. The Nation will rise as one in anger. (Sad...but you know in your heart it's true.)



36 posted on 10/15/2002 3:42:19 PM PDT by who knows what evil?
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To: Johnny Shear
You are right Johnny It's not about "RACE"its all about hate. The hate of one genre of person that is unlike another genre.

The big problem with most of us Freepers ie. "harpies" that make a big deal over this is that the media silence is IGNORING the whole issue.If this where two white guys raping and murdering these white people abcnbccbslatimesnytimes would be all over it. The major news outlets are clintonesque silent. If your genre isn't hyphenated your delimas are ignored. So if we "Taint" thee,
Get over it.

Regards
37 posted on 10/15/2002 3:48:08 PM PDT by Rightly Biased
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To: Johnny Shear
---I am ashamed by the large number of Freepers making such a big deal over this... It leads me to believe that many of the people doing so are, in fact, racists or white supremists themselves...---

Oh pallllease!

Its called equal standards regardless of race. Can you not see that?

You might as well say ONLY racists and white supremacists are against affirmative action while you're at it.

38 posted on 10/15/2002 6:49:25 PM PDT by republicman
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To: BiffSchneider
--The implication is that the only ones who are making this a rallying cry are "white supremacists." frontpagemag.com has also made this a rallying cry. Ergo, frontpagemag.com are crypto-white supremacists---

Exactly, you spotted the game.

The liberals create something called "hate crimes" they apply these laws and their coverage with gigantic double standards in order to nurture their favorite stereotype-- whites=oppressor and blacks=victim.

And dare to question the propaganda; dare to question the double standards; dare to say the emporor has no clothes, and bonk, you're a "racist."

Its the typical sick game of PC, and why some people here of all places don't seem to have the brainpower to see it is, well, just really damn sad.
39 posted on 10/15/2002 7:02:32 PM PDT by republicman
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To: republicman
I never said only racists and white supremists are doing this. I'm sure that's not the case. But I'm also sure that there are racists and white supremists doing this...Right here on Free Republic...Unfortunately.
40 posted on 10/15/2002 7:10:33 PM PDT by Johnny Shear
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