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I carried with me thru 2 tours in Vietnam a paperback copy of "Starship Troopers"

I still have it......

redrock

1 posted on 10/12/2002 11:20:11 PM PDT by redrock
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To: nunya bidness
Time to bring it back......

redrock

2 posted on 10/12/2002 11:20:58 PM PDT by redrock
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To: redrock
Extraordinary writer.

"Those who refuse to support and defend a state have no claim to protection by that state. Killing an anarchist or a pacifist should not be defined as 'murder' in a legalistic sense. The offense against the state, if any, should be 'Using deadly weapon inside city limits,' or 'Creating a taffic hazard,' or 'Endangering bystanders,' or other misdemeanor." -- Lazarus Long

3 posted on 10/12/2002 11:24:54 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: redrock
"An armed society is a polite society"

Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.

Most people can't think, most of the remainder won't think, the small fraction who do think mostly can't do it very well. The extremely tiny fraction who think regularly, accurately, creatively, and without self-delusion- in the long run these are the only people who count...

brainpower is the scarcest commodity and the only one of real value.

A brute kills from pleasure, a fool kills from hate.

A committee is a life form with six or more legs and no brain.
An Elephant; a Mouse built to government specifications

Just a few of my favorites.
8 posted on 10/12/2002 11:49:06 PM PDT by Brytani
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To: redrock
I am a fan of Heinlein's work for the most part, but his latter stuff...well...is execrable. Often, Stranger in a Strange Land is cited as his best work (as it caused quite a stir amongst the counter-culture); but, frankly, I found it rotten: boring, didactic, and morally suspect. Anything after that, aside from being bad fiction, is just plain creepy. Still, I think The Moon is a Harsh Mistress to be the pinnacle of Heinlein's talents and one of the best science fiction books of all time.
9 posted on 10/12/2002 11:50:41 PM PDT by JURB
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To: redrock
I read everything Heinlein ever wrote. Mostly, I got them out of the school library but a few I bought as a teenager when they came out, like The Past Through Tomorrow which I got through the Science Fiction Book Club.

Funny that one of the books first mentioned by this article's author was Tunnel In The Sky - - it was always my favorite Heinlein book. (And it's not real easy picking a favorite Heinlein book.)

13 posted on 10/12/2002 11:56:09 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: redrock
I read "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel" about forty-some (yikes) years ago. I enjoyed it, but never read anything more of his.
15 posted on 10/13/2002 12:06:11 AM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: redrock
One day, sent to the library as punishment (so much, he grinned to himself, for the intelligence of authority)
They used to do this to me in elementary school. Eventually the assistant principal wised up. >:(

-Eric

17 posted on 10/13/2002 12:07:41 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: redrock
Heinlein is my spiritual father as well.
19 posted on 10/13/2002 12:10:41 AM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: redrock

This I Believe by Robert A. Heinlein

"I am not going to talk about religious beliefs but about matters so obvious that it has gone out of style to mention them. I believe in my neighbors. I know their faults, and I know that their virtues far outweigh their faults. "Take Father Michael down our road a piece. I'm not of his creed, but I know that goodness and charity and lovingkindness shine in his daily actions. I believe in Father Mike. If I'm in trouble, I'll go to him."

"My next-door neighbor is a veterinary doctor. Doc will get out of bed after a hard day to help a stray cat. No fee--no prospect of a fee--I believe in Doc.

"I believe in my townspeople. You can know on any door in our town saying, 'I'm hungry,' and you will be fed. Our town is no exception. I've found the same ready charity everywhere. But for the one who says, 'To heck with you - I got mine,' there are a hundred, a thousand who will say, "Sure, pal, sit down."

"I know that despite all warnings against hitchhikers I can step up to the highway, thumb for a ride and in a few minutes a car or a truck will stop and someone will say, 'Climb in Mac - how far you going?'

"I believe in my fellow citizens. Our headlines are splashed with crime yet for every criminal there are 10,000 honest, decent, kindly men. If it were not so, no child would live to grow up. Business could not go on from day to day. Decency is not news. It is buried in the obituaries, but is a force stronger than crime. I believe in the patient gallentry of nurses and the tedious sacrifices of teachers. I believe in the unseen and unending fight against desperate odds that goes on quietly in almost every home in the land.

"I believe in the honest craft of workmen. Take a look around you. There never were enough bosses to check up on all that work. From Independence Hall to the Grand Coulee Dam, these things were built level and square by craftsmen who were honest in their bones.

"I believe that almost all politicians are honest. . .there are hundreds of politicians, low paid or not paid at all, doing their level best without thanks or glory to make our system work. If this were not true we would never have gotten past the 13 colonies.

"I believe in Rodger Young. You and I are free today because of endless unnamed heroes from Valley Forge to the Yalu River. I believe in -- I am proud to belong to -- the United States. Despite shortcomings from lynchings to bad faith in high places, our nation has had the most decent and kindly internal practices and foreign policies to be found anywhere in history.

"And finally, I believe in my whole race. Yellow, white, black, red, brown. In the honesty, courage, intelligence, durability, and goodness of the overwhelming majority of my brothers and sisters everywhere on this planet. I am proud to be a human being. I believe that we have come this far by the skin of our teeth. That we always make it just by the skin of our teeth, but that we will always make it. Survive. Endure. I believe that this hairless embryo with the aching, oversize brain case and the
opposable thumb, this animal barely up from the apes will endure. Will endure longer than his home planet -- will spread out to the stars and beyond, carrying with him his honesty and his insatiable curiosity, his unlimited courage and his noble essential decency.

"This I believe with all my heart."

Robert A. Heinlein wrote this item in 1952. His wife, Virginia Heinlein, chose to read it when she accepted NASA's Distinguished Public Service Medal on October 6, 1988, on the Grand Master's behalf (it was a posthumous award).

22 posted on 10/13/2002 12:14:25 AM PDT by Psycho Francis
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To: redrock
Also, I find L. Neil Smith to be a bit of loon. Typical is this quote (from the piece posted above): "I admit that if I didn't feel bound by the Non-Aggression Principle, there wouldn't be a church left standing above its own ashes west of the Mississippi." Really? Is the libertarian non-agression principle the only thing holding you back from death and wanton destruction? I know he is being facetious, but hyperbole of this type is common to L. Neil. He comes off as a raving lunatic and, all bluster aside, he is not an asset to the side of liberty. Wasn't he the one that, along with the Arizona Libertarian Party, led a revolt against the LP and ran for president alongside/against Harry Browne. Not that this small 'l' libertarian votes LP anyway, but with blowhards like L. Neil Smith and other loonies (spitting druids, potheads uninterested in the cause of freedom, candidates that turn themselves blue due tp Y2K paranoia), no wonder why the LP cannot gain any traction.
26 posted on 10/13/2002 12:25:37 AM PDT by JURB
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To: humblegunner
Heinlein *PING !*

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Flyer

29 posted on 10/13/2002 12:38:08 AM PDT by Flyer
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To: redrock
Political tags -- such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth -- are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort. -- Lazarus Long

I am one of the latter.

My parents exposed me to Robert Heinlein when I was just a child and he quickly became the guiding force of my belief system. I have a complete collection of his works on my bookshelves. The following excerpts from Robert Heinlein's Notebook of Lazarus Long and my included rants explain my philosophies.

Any priest or shaman must be presumed guilty until proven innocent. -- Lazarus Long

History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it. -- Lazarus Long

There is no conclusive evidence of life after death. But there is no evidence of any sort against it. Soon enough you will know. So why fret about it? -- Lazarus Long

One man's theology is another man's belly laugh. -- Lazarus Long

Televangelists: The Pro Wrestlers of religion. -- Lazarus Long

The most preposterous motion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up it that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest and least productive industry in all history. -- Lazarus Long

"God split himself into a myriad parts so that he might have friends". This may not be true, but it sounds good -- and is no sillier than any other theology. -- Lazarus Long

God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent---it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks, please. Cash and in small bills. -- Lazarus Long

We always let water over the bridge lie where Jesus flang it; you know that. -- Lazarus Long Freedom begins when you tell Mrs Grundy to go fly a kite.-- Lazarus Long

In other words mind your own business, if that doesn’t satisfy you, get a hobby.

What are the facts? Again and again and again --- what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what "the stars foretell", avoid opinion, Care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable "verdict of history" --- what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always in to an unknown future; facts are your only chance. Get the facts! -- Lazarus Long

A generation which ignores history has no past and no future. -- Lazarus Long

If you ain't makin' waves, you ain't kickin' hard enough! -- Lazarus Long

Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. -- Lazarus Long

"If you are part of a society that votes, then do so. There may be no candidate and no measures you want to vote for... but there are certain to be ones you want to vote against. In case of doubt, vote against. By this rule you rarely go wrong.

"If this is too blind for your taste, consult some well-meaning fool (there is always one around) and ask his advice. Then vote the other way. This enables you to be a good citizen (if such is your wish) without spending the enormous amount of time on it that truly intelligent exercise of franchise requires." -- Lazarus Long

You live and learn. Or you don't live long. -- Lazarus Long

Of all the strange "crimes" that human beings have legislated out of nothing, "blasphemy" is the most amazing---with "obscenity" and "indecent exposure" fighting it out for the second and third place. -- Lazarus Long

The plural of spouse is spice. -- Lazarus Long

A woman is not property, and husbands who think otherwise are living in a dreamworld. -- Lazarus Long

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -- Lazarus Long

Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors, and miss. -- Lazarus Long

To stay young requires the unceasing ability to unlearn old falsehoods. -- Lazarus Long

Political tags -- such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth -- are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort. -- Lazarus Long

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -- Lazarus Long

Get a shot off fast. This upsets him long enough to let you make your second shot perfect. -- Lazarus Long

Your enemy is never a villain in his own eyes. Keep this in mind, it may offer a way to make him your friend. If not, you can kill him without hate, and quickly. -- Lazarus Long

An armed society is a polite society.

A brute kills for pleasure. A fool kills from hate. -- Lazarus Long

It may be better to be a live jackal than a dead lion, but it is better still to be a live lion. And usually easier. -- Lazarus Long

Place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark. -- Lazarus Long

The meek shall inherit the earth, a 6 foot plot above them. -- Lazarus Long

33 posted on 10/13/2002 1:08:55 AM PDT by FreeLibertarian
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To: redrock
I loved Starship Troopers and felt that the movie did the novel a great disservice. Instead of treating the ideas of the novel seriously (whatever you think of them, good or ill), the movie simply mocked the ideas and turned itself into a mindless, meaningless space opera. It couldn't even get the space opera element right, as it ignored two of the coolest elements of the book: the tactical nukes and the powered armor.
34 posted on 10/13/2002 1:22:53 AM PDT by JURB
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To: redrock
Specialization is for insects bump.
37 posted on 10/13/2002 3:17:46 AM PDT by spodefly
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All appreciations of Robert A. Heinlein, the creator of modern science fiction, linger over his themes and his imaginative gifts. Few mention that he was one of the twentieth century's finest writers, regardless of genre.

Heinlein had a sense for the practice of plot construction, characterization, and stylistic control that is almost never acknowledged. Present-day literati would be embarrassed by comparison to most competent genre writers, for genre writers still remember that their duty is to entertain, not to play with themselves in public. Heinlein was the greatest of them all.

No argument that he had his bad days, nor that these became more frequent after he passed his peak. But one cannot read a stunner like "They," a little gem like Double Star or a masterpiece like The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress without being overwhelmed by Heinlein's storyteller's gifts.

I'm a writer myself. I've been a Heinlein fan for forty years as of next Tuesday. After such a long acquaintance, it would be reasonable to expect that I'd find little new in his works when I went back to them. Reasonable, but incorrect. They are a treasure trove that defies exhaustion. By their stylistic elegance alone, they can keep me mesmerized indefinitely.

Like the great Poul Anderson, also recently taken from us, Robert A. Heinlein will be missed by more, not fewer, appreciative, intelligent readers as he recedes into the past -- and for more and richer reasons.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit the Palace Of Reason: http://palaceofreason.com

38 posted on 10/13/2002 3:18:13 AM PDT by fporretto
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Thanks for the Heinlein post.

While loving most of Heinleins stuff, it took me years to finally get through Number of the Beast -too much saccharine dialog & fairly hard to follow without understanding references to previous books. I would like to have his ship, "Gay Deceiver" complete with dimensional storage.

I just finished re-reading Moon is a Harsh Mistress. Don't ask how many times.

40 posted on 10/13/2002 3:57:29 AM PDT by listenhillary
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To: redrock
Ditto all Heinlein praise above.

I think next year is when I'll introduce him to my now 7-year-old son.

41 posted on 10/13/2002 5:53:48 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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To: redrock
Another big Heinlein bump.

When the doo-doo hits the fan, I want Lazarus Long watching my back.

And if I can't get him, it at least needs to be someone who admires his qualities as much as I do.

However, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is his finest work, even without Laz making an appearance.

42 posted on 10/13/2002 6:13:52 AM PDT by Knitebane
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Reading Heinlein was the perfect antidote to all of the other liberal drivel I read as a youth. I credit Heinlein for showing me that Dad really was correct all those years.
43 posted on 10/13/2002 6:14:17 AM PDT by Samwise
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To: redrock
Already posted here.

44 posted on 10/13/2002 6:18:27 AM PDT by William Terrell
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