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Loose rules for guns strengthen ‘sniper subculture’
cantonrep.com ^ | Friday, October 11, 2002 | Marie Cocco

Posted on 10/11/2002 3:48:32 PM PDT by RogueIsland

Loose rules for guns strengthen ‘sniper subculture’

Friday, October 11, 2002
By MARIE COCCO

WASHINGTON -- There is everything to like about Carolyn McCarthy.

The New York congresswoman who got to Washington on the trajectory of tragedy still laughs with gusto and dresses without flash and pulls back her hair in a ponytail like a suburban homemaker. That is what she was when a gunman on a Long Island Rail Road train shattered her old life and launched her toward another.

She took to politics after her husband was killed and her son gravely wounded aboard that commuter train. It was a way, maybe, to do something about guns in America. A way, perhaps, to keep the comfort of someone else’s daily routine from becoming a catastrophe.

McCarthy has been in Congress six years now. But you could, at any moment, imagine her not standing at a microphone but loading groceries into her car, or vacuuming it out, or mowing the lawn.

She is still just like her constituents. And they are just like the people of suburban Washington, terrorized by a sniper who has randomly killed six people and injured two while they were encased in the fragile comfort of daily routines.

So it is easy to like McCarthy. But it is hard to talk to her.

When we talk, it is usually because some new horror requires the conversation. And these conversations remind us only that we have done so little — nothing, really — about the glorification of guns and the way in which we make them so easily available to just about anyone who wants one.

“Did he buy his gun at a gun show?” McCarthy asked of the sniper, who experts say is using high-velocity, military-style bullets designed to cause maximum damage to a target. “Did he go through one of the loopholes that we have been trying to close?”

Maybe, maybe not. Civilian sales of military-style sniper rifles and ammunition are, apparently, all the rage. These may have replaced assault weapons as the latest must-have gadgets. In certain circles, anyway.

The trend was documented in a 1999 report by the Violence Policy Center, a gun-control group. It was, of course, ignored.

“A sniper subculture is burgeoning within the American civilian gun culture,” the report said. “This subculture glorifies the sniper fantasy, diminishes its human cost and teaches everything about sniping — from equipment and shooting skills to military and police sniping tactics.”

Its unofficial motto is “One shot, one kill.” This has, apparently, been taken seriously by Washington’s suburban sniper. He has murdered or wounded each of his victims with a single shot.

“The accuracy, range and power of a sniper rifle could present a grave danger if used by a determined criminal or a deranged gunman, and a serious threat to national security in the hands of a terrorist,” the report said.

McCarthy wonders if this sniper has a history of mental illness. That was the case with the gunman who disturbed another comforting routine — mass at Our Lady of Peace Catholic Church in Lynbrook, N.Y., last March — by killing the priest and a parishioner. The mentally ill are barred under a 1968 federal law from getting guns, but they still do. It is, in part, because states haven’t automated patient records or shared them with federal authorities, so they cannot be checked when a person buys a gun from a licensed dealer.

After the Lynbrook murders, McCarthy sponsored legislation to give states money to automate mental health records and turn them over. It passed easily out of the House Judiciary Committee; the selling point for the pro-gun lawmakers who control the panel was that her bill didn’t create some new law. But the House Republican leadership hasn’t allowed a floor vote.

McCarthy’s bill to keep mentally ill people from getting guns must wait its turn, she said, behind another piece of gun legislation now pending in the House: A measure to prohibit lawsuits against the gun industry.

McCarthy expected the leadership to bring the industry-protection measure up for a vote Thursday. Now it’s been put off. “We understand it was pulled,” she said.

The timing, you see, wasn’t quite right.

Marie Cocco’s e-mail address is:

cocco@newsday.com


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; guns; sniper; whiningantigunloon
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To: primeval patriot
The subculture even has its own cult figure, the late Carlos Hathcock, who as a Marine sniper in Vietnam was credited with the longest confirmed kill in history. It defies experience to believe that this blizzard of violent fantasy will not effect the greater society. It defies experience to believe that this blizzard of violent fantasy will not effect the greater society.

Diaz must not be a student of culture and history, or he would realize that the Warrior of any culture has always been an object of fascination among the populace. It is one of the few constants that cuts across all places and all centuries. There might be a few exceptions, although those cultures probably vanished rather quickly beneath the phalanxes of those societies that valued the Warrior.

21 posted on 10/11/2002 4:39:36 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: Renegade
Arm the citizens who qualify. There should be a NATIONAL permit to carry a concealed weapon.

We already have a national carry permit. It's called the Second Amendment.

22 posted on 10/11/2002 4:40:56 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum
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To: RogueIsland
Fifty years ago gun laws in this country were nearly nonexistent. You could buy rifles and even 20mm antitank rifles through magazine ads and over the phone. Yet we didn't see 1/20 of the lunatic violence seen today. I'd like to hear an explanation form Ms McCarthy as to why this is so.
23 posted on 10/11/2002 4:42:25 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Beenliedto
the right of 'the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I hear say that the next arguments to come down the pike from liberal friends is that the reason concealment is not allowed is because the Consitution does not say so. Their (liberals) going to parse language again....bear

Personally, I have no problem carrying iron on my hip in a holster. Just means I can pull it that much quicker..Food for thought, although I do share in your sentiments..

24 posted on 10/11/2002 4:47:37 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: primeval patriot
The tone of these a**holes shows the contempt they have for the average American citizen. They would have us believe that the mere existence of a gun, anywhere, causes your ordinary, average guy to go on a shooting rampage. How moronic do they think we are?

If their hypothesis was true, then we ought not allow police to be armed, since "one never knows, does one?" By their illogic, no one can be trained in the safe and efficient use of arms, since the guns themselves cause uncontrollable madness.

If they have their way, we are finished as a nation because we will no longer be able to field a professional army, nor any of the armed law enforcement agencies. The outcome will be a lot like England, where criminals, now assured that no one will be able to stop them, roam free.

25 posted on 10/11/2002 4:48:08 PM PDT by 45Auto
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To: primeval patriot
Tony Diaz ain't got the huevos to personally come and "take" your guns away from you or anybody else. So, he ought to shut-the-hell-up!
26 posted on 10/11/2002 4:49:04 PM PDT by old school
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To: unix
Personally, I have no problem carrying iron on my hip in a holster. Just means I can pull it that much quicker..Food for thought, although I do share in your sentiments..

Well, yes... but I have neighbors, and they get uncomfortable when they see me doing that, so there are social considerations....

Although in North carolina, that is perfectly legal.

I hold a CCW, but I'm not sure that I should.

Someone on another thread a couple of days ago suggested that the proper CCW permit is a laminated copy of the 2nd Amendment.

Wonder what the LEO would say?

27 posted on 10/11/2002 4:53:23 PM PDT by Beenliedto
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To: Beenliedto
Many states have in their constitituion a disclaimer that concealed weapons are not covered by their right to bear arms amendments.

Washington is one of these, and so is Oregon. If the 10th amendment is taken seriously, then THOSE states have a right to regulate concealed weapons, but because of the 14th amendment, they actually cannot, so what you said, in a strictly legal sense is true. Now, if you think an elected official will EVER admit it, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I can sell you, CHEAP!!
28 posted on 10/11/2002 4:54:01 PM PDT by Aric2000
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To: RogueIsland
“Did he buy his gun at a gun show?” McCarthy asked of the sniper, who experts say is using high-velocity, military-style bullets designed to cause maximum damage to a target. “Did he go through one of the loopholes that we have been trying to close?”

And did she also vote to make all these people defenseless???

29 posted on 10/11/2002 4:59:15 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Beenliedto
The Constitution just protects our inalienable God given rights. Even without a Constitution we still have the right to keep and bear arms. Permits and other arms infringements are specifically prohibited by the second amendment. Obey real laws, ignore unconstitutional legislation, and keep and bear whatever arms you wish. Obeying unconstitutional "laws" is illegal! Anyone who is involved in arms legislation, enforcement or prosecution, is just a criminal who hasn't been caught yet.

Molon Labe !

30 posted on 10/11/2002 5:02:55 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR
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To: RLK
The answer is that you can almost chart the rise in gun violence by the rise in gun laws. That is the only statistical correlation that directly relates gun violence to time. By that standard, we ought to repeal damn near every gun law on the books; that way, crime should drop to near zero.
31 posted on 10/11/2002 5:08:16 PM PDT by 45Auto
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To: Renegade
In my state of Zoo Jersey you need a permit to buy a BB gun

You're kidding, aren't you?

32 posted on 10/11/2002 5:10:44 PM PDT by templar
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To: RogueIsland
Even if the gun-grabbers repealed the 2nd amendment (never happen) and made owning a rifle a crime punished by the death penalty - crimes like this current terrorist would occur. Face it - if the guy (gal, guys, whatever) are captured, they are up for the death penalty unless they die in a shoot out with the cops anyway. He/she/they/it are DEAD DEAD DEAD. So any gun penalty laws are completely meaningless, but since the liberals only operate from their "feelings" rather than their nonexistent brains it is pointless to try to argue with them.

That said - giving everyone concealed carry for handguns, heck - requiring every US citizen over the age of 18 to be trained and to carry a handgun - would not have stopped or stop this terrorist, since this character shoots people in the back, from concealment, from a distance, with his/her getaway vehicle on hand.

33 posted on 10/11/2002 5:16:43 PM PDT by dark_lord
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To: RogueIsland
Marie 'Caca' Cocco is a raving lunatic lefty who worships at the altar of Bill Clinton's lap. She hates Republicans with a passion, and never misses a chance to bash a conservative. She is an oft-featured "writer" on the Smirking Chimp, a left-wing Free Republic wannabe.
34 posted on 10/11/2002 5:27:39 PM PDT by an amused spectator
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To: old school
Tony Diaz ain't got the huevos to personally come and "take" your guns away from you or anybody else. So, he ought to shut-the-hell-up!

But he sure knows how to whip the soccer moms into a snivelling, big government loving frenzy.

35 posted on 10/11/2002 5:37:04 PM PDT by primeval patriot
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To: 45Auto
The tone of these a**holes shows the contempt they have for the average American citizen.

Yep. It's breathtaking.

36 posted on 10/11/2002 5:37:21 PM PDT by primeval patriot
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To: RogueIsland
Diaz must not be a student of culture and history, or he would realize that the Warrior of any culture has always been an object of fascination among the populace. It is one of the few constants that cuts across all places and all centuries. There might be a few exceptions, although those cultures probably vanished rather quickly beneath the phalanxes of those societies that valued the Warrior.

Well said.

37 posted on 10/11/2002 5:37:28 PM PDT by primeval patriot
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To: primeval patriot
Diaz, like his buddies,is a lying sack of excrement. There is no gun culture or sniper culture. This is another invention like the non-existent problem with the AR 15, the dreaded black AW. These people prey on the weak-minded among us (of which there are, unfortunately, many examples, some right in the US Senate) having them believe that the gun itself causes people to go mad and start shooting innocents.

Their hypothesis would have us think that no one can be trained in the safe and efficient use of arms, nor that guns are useful self-defense tools. Mark my word: these people will eventually call for the disarming of all law enforcement once they have succeeded in disarming the citizenry at large.

38 posted on 10/11/2002 5:41:11 PM PDT by 45Auto
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To: 45Auto
If their hypothesis was true, then we ought not allow police to be armed, since "one never knows, does one?"

Actualy, I think police do have a higher incidence of misusing firearms than the general gun owning public.

39 posted on 10/11/2002 5:42:09 PM PDT by templar
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To: Beenliedto
Wonder what the LEO would say?

You're under arrest?

40 posted on 10/11/2002 5:43:54 PM PDT by templar
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