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Forrester Case Still Live in the Supreme Court
Special to Free Republic ^ | 11 October 2002 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 10/11/2002 7:53:12 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob

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To: hobbes1
All Forrester needs to do to win this race, Is start attacking Lousenberg, and Defining himself to the voters....

Fox News showed the new ads that the Republicans are running in NJ race last night. Shows kids taking exams in school wanting Lautenburg to come in and take their test for them. Also shows kid losing in one on one, quit rather than lose saying if Toricelli can do it, I can. The point of the ads is what the Dems, Toricelli, and Lautenburg are doing to our kids values by these shennighans.

121 posted on 10/11/2002 9:50:56 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: hobbes1
He has the rocks, yes, but he's only a figurehead Senate President. Only there to break ties. He won't spearhead any correction of this crime.
122 posted on 10/11/2002 9:54:25 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: Brytani
Would that not automatically open up McGreevy to appoint a person of his choosing to the Senate? Is there any precident for a court to force another election to settle this matter?

McGreevy could appoint Lautenburg to serve temporarily and then call a special election for 2004.

123 posted on 10/11/2002 9:54:37 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Congressman Billybob
No, my friend. Tossing out "a duly elected Senator" is NOT the essence of the case at this point. Post 43 addresses this point.

Um. I think you missed the emphasis. I'm under the impression it's about whether he is "duly elected".

124 posted on 10/11/2002 9:55:36 AM PDT by Eala
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To: William McKinley
I'll second that:

And by the way, THANKS for bringing your expertise to Free Republic!

125 posted on 10/11/2002 9:55:38 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: Cyber Liberty
Most business like that gets done in the Cloakroom.

And in the Cloakroom, Dick is KING!

126 posted on 10/11/2002 9:55:55 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: Dave S
I saw that ad...Hilarious..
127 posted on 10/11/2002 9:56:47 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: hchutch
They could order a fresh election after refusing to seat Lautenberg

And who do you think would win that election? Forrester has to do it this Nov. He wont get a better shot. Dem turnout maybe reduced this election but probably not in the future.

128 posted on 10/11/2002 10:00:01 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: hobbes1
NJ Republican Party has run two hilarious ads against Lousenberg......then in an unfortunate turn of words, Lousenberg, in response to the ad, refers to himself as a good dribbler......lolol
129 posted on 10/11/2002 10:01:07 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: GOPJ
Thank you. It is a pleasure to be in a cyberroom with a bunch of sharp cookies who really care about America. That's why I deeply appreciate JimRob's creation, FreeRepublic.

Billybob

130 posted on 10/11/2002 10:03:54 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: OldFriend
OMG!!!!
131 posted on 10/11/2002 10:05:23 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: Congressman Billybob
I care, too. I just don't believe the side of what's right is going to win this time.
132 posted on 10/11/2002 10:07:42 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: Dave S
The most likely scenario IMO, will be if Lautenberg is elected to resign his seat soon after being sworn in. Of course he will site health concerns or age as the reason, thereby opening up the ability of McGreevy to either appoint Torch back into the seat or to seat an equally corrupt, liberal senator.

If Lautenberg wins, I doubt he will make it through the first 6 months of his term.
133 posted on 10/11/2002 10:15:15 AM PDT by Brytani
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To: hobbes1
Today's NYPost has an excellent article on the ads and the response by the old guy!!!
134 posted on 10/11/2002 10:16:13 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: Congressman Billybob; All

Why the US Supreme Court
should (must) act before the November election

The NJ Democrat ballot switch is a clear bait and switch tactic. It's like going to a car dealer and paying for a Buick to be delivered the following month. Come next month the car dealership delivers a Pontiac. Sure it's a GM (General Motors) car but it's no Buick, it's a Pontiac. No politician, bureaucrat or judge would pass legislation, regulation or judgment allowing for that bait and switch to happen. If they did, they should be impeached/removed from their job.

A couple of hypothetical examples that are irrelevant to the issue but worth expressing so as to highlight the previous juxtaposition.

If Torrcelli had died or his health incapacitated him to the point of being unable to hold office, here's the analogy.

If all the Buick's had been destroyed in a plant fire it's understandable how the car dealership would offer the pre-paid car buyer a Pontiac instead. But the car dealer wouldn't force the buyer to switch from the Buick to a Pontiac. No politician or bureaucrat -- judges included -- would pass legislation, regulation or judgment allowing car dealerships to force buyers to take the switch. If they did, they should be impeached/removed from their job. What would more likely happen is that the government would fine the car dealership for trying to pull a bait and switch. In actuality, the car dealership would give the car buyer his money back. In view of the November election, Torrcelli didn't die nor does his health incapacitate him from holding office.

That Torrcelli was deemed untrustworthy, as shown by polls, had a car buyer been confronted with a Buick to Pontiac bait and switch, they would refuse to buy any car from that car dealer. Now, if only NJ voters would make that connection and abandon the NJ Democrat candidates.

"Sir, you mean to tell me that if you pre-paid for a Buick to be delivered next month that you would accept the car dealer trying to force you to take delivery of a Pontiac instead, when it seems far more likely that if the car dealer did treat you with such disrespect -- a dupe to be bait and switched -- that you would demand your money back and refuse to buy any car from that car dealer?"

All that said about the bait and switch is more than enough reason that the US Supreme Court should take the case before the November 5 elections. ...And decide that bait and switch is illegally. Just as it is illegal for a car dealer to do, it's illegal for a political party to do.

If the US Supreme Court decides that the bait and switch is legal, well, the US Supreme Court will have announced that the highest court in the land is ethically bankrupt and not to be trusted. Further more, for justice to prevail all judges that voted in favor of the bait and switch must be removed from the bench. Any judge that votes in favor of the fraud perpetrated by the NJ Democrat party and furthered by the NJ Supreme Court is unfit to sit on the bench.

Having said that, if the US Supreme Court neglects their obligation to ensure prompt justice in this matter, and if Lautenberg does win the election and the US Supreme Court takes the case they have willingly entered into thwarting the separation of powers. Because if they decide that Lutenberg was wrongfully placed on the ballot then he must be removed from office by the US Supreme Court. Justice will have prevailed. Yet it was the NJ Supreme Court that first thwarted the separation of powers. Doing so by not upholding the power of the NJ legislature to set election laws. Instead, the NJ Supreme Court usurped the NJ Legislature's just power. In effect NJ Supreme Court decision said that NJ election law was an opinion, not law.

Summary. The United States Supreme Court must take the case and decide that the bait and switch was illegal, because if they don't, they will have announced that the US Supreme Court is ethically bankrupt and not to be trusted. The US Supreme Court must decide the case before the November 5 election, because if they don't, they will be forcing themselves to thwart the separation of powers. If the US Supreme Court decides not to take the case it becomes complicit in denying Justice. Failing to correct the unjust NJ Supreme Court usurpation of NJ Legislative power. It is one thing for a citizen to sit idle in witness of a crime. The citizen has broken very little trust and society will go on virtually unaffected -- 99.999 percent unaffected. It is quite another thing for the highest officials in the Department Of Justice to sit idle in witness of a crime. The highest court in the land will have broken massive trust and caused massive loss of confidence in the rule of law.

Bottom line: The US Supreme Court can do one of two things (1) uphold justice and the separation of powers or, (2) deny justice and deny the separation of powers.

135 posted on 10/11/2002 10:16:55 AM PDT by Zon
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To: Zon
The SCOTUS has already decided. They turned to the dark side....
136 posted on 10/11/2002 10:18:28 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: OldFriend
Do you have a link for the article by chance?
137 posted on 10/11/2002 10:19:19 AM PDT by Brytani
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To: eureka!
Your point regarding the chances of unseating an elected senator appears correct. Maybe relief would be in the form of reimburstment of all moneys spent on the election by Forrester perhaps even in triplicate? This might even be the case if Forrester wins?
138 posted on 10/11/2002 10:19:59 AM PDT by Rockiesrider
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To: Rockiesrider
"Maybe relief would be in the form of reimburstment of all moneys spent on the election by Forrester perhaps even in triplicate? This might even be the case if Forrester wins?"

I would hope at least a civil lawsuit against Torch and the DNC whether he wins or loses the race...

139 posted on 10/11/2002 10:24:22 AM PDT by eureka!
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To: Lyford
It appears to me that any military absentee ballot that came back voting for the Torch would be a Torch vote. Only Forrester could recieve any votes that would matter. So it works out for Forrester to keep the absentee ballots in play.
140 posted on 10/11/2002 10:25:38 AM PDT by Rockiesrider
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