Posted on 10/11/2002 6:10:44 AM PDT by apackof2
Scientific Approach
The founder of Reasons to Believe presents a rational Christian look at UFOs and extraterrestrials.
Hugh Ross has a B.S, Physics, University of British Columbia; M.S. & Ph.D., Astronomy, University of Toronto.
Mr. Ross is the co-author of, Lights in the Sky & Little Green Men (NavPress, 2002)
Hugh has been stargazing since he was a young boy, and by the age of 17, he had become director of observations for the Royal Astronomical Society in Canada. As an astronomer, Hugh has logged thousands of observation time and has learned that science can and does address the possibility of life’s existence elsewhere in the universe. In the mid-'70s, Hugh was assigned the task of processing UFO reports at CalTech. At the same time, Hugh began an intense study of the Bible. "Secular society is gullible about the possibility that extraterrestrial life exists without having scientific evidence to prove it," says Hugh. "The motivation for this book is the need to communicate clear, satisfying explanations from scientific, theological, philosophical, and political standpoints."
Hugh says that he uses the scientific approach called "the process of elimination" to answer the question Is there a place where extraterrestrials could live in the universe? Over the years, science has made some significant advances. "The number of candidates for life sites within the Milky Way grows smaller each day," says Hugh. At one time, biologists speculated that extraterrestrial life forms might be based on exotic chemistry, not carbon as earthly life is. But today the conclusion is that all conceivable life forms must be carbon-based. And if life forms exist on other planets, they must be planets like Earth, orbiting a star like the sun in a galaxy like the Milky Way. "Ongoing research shows that this seems less possible as each year passes," says Hugh.
Residual UFOs
Most people think UFOs are physical. "But they can’t be physical," says Hugh, "because they defy gravity." While Hugh does not say that UFOs aren’t real, no physical object can move like UFOs have been reported to move. Respected UFOolgists agree that there must be something real at the bottom of some UFO reports. Residual UFOs (RUFOs) is a terminology that refers to the UFOs that are left over after all the others are explained away. There is quite a bit of evidence that UFOs are real, such as crash sites. There are over 1,000 sites where allegedly the UFOs have crashed. "The ground is depressed, the trees and grass are burnt," says Hugh. "In these scenarios, we are dealing with non-physical reality." What this evidence suggests is that RUFOs are capable of producing physical effects, such as burnt grass, but are not physical themselves.
Hugh says the Bible proclaims the existence of a personal Creator who can act independently outside the cosmos and who is not restricted by the four, large space-time dimensions (length, width, height or time). The Bible also describes the spirit realm (the realm beyond matter, energy and space-time dimensions) and declares the existence of God and two or more distinct creatures: humans and angels. Hugh explains that humans remain physically restricted to the dimensions of the cosmos and cannot account for the unexplained phenomena. Angels, or fallen angels, remain as possible links. Fallen angels, or demons, intent on distorting God’s authority and purpose, draw attention away from God and the gospel and are an identifiable source of explanation.
The conclusion that demons are behind the RUFOs phenomenon is testable. According to the Bible, demons attack only those individuals who invite the attacks. "All that is necessary to further prove the conclusion of demonic involvements," says Hugh, "is to continue surveying people to ascertain who has encounters with RUFOs and who does not." Researchers continue to observe a correlation between the degree of invitations in a person’s life to demonic attacks (séance, Ouija boards, astrology, witchcraft, palm or psychic reading). One reason why research scientists may be reluctant to say specifically that demons exist behind the RUFOs is because that answer points too directly to a Christian interpretation of the problem.
Reasons to Believe is an interdenominational ministry that communicates the basis for belief in the Bible as the true Word of God.
www.reasons.org
Why so shy?
I don't write what I feel I right what I think. Big difference is that you go by feelings, which no doubt you'll deny despite having just projected that I write what I feel.
Let's see...feel, think, deny, project, think, feel...Now what was that again? LOL I agree that since atheists consider humans as robots that they are less likely to consider feelings. How else could atheist governments murder 60 million people in the 20th century and be able to live with themselves.
It's not a philosophy. If you'd take the time to read the Neo-Tech Discovery for yourself you'd know that. But nooo, you're too busy foisting guilt on others. They welcome both positive and negative comments at the Neo-Tech Worldwide Web site. You'll find the links on the homepage. Have at it.
No thanks. I went through that kind of stuff years ago. I still have the book: "The Zonpower Discovery" by Frank Wallace "Neo-Tech Power and the Neo-Tech Advantages for Unlimited Prosperity, Happiness, and Romantic Love". Copyright 1990. I bought it about 10 or 12 years ago. It was pretty interesting at the time. I liked the part about the parasites living off the rest of us. It may have sent me on the path to be a better Republican and a Christian. No workie, no eatie.
Why so shy?
Not shy. Frankly, I find your dishonesty repulsive.
I agree that since atheists consider humans as robots that they are less likely to consider feelings.
Well now, isn't that special, you agree with yourself. You're a hoot.
No thanks. I went through that kind of stuff years ago. I still have the book: "The Zonpower Discovery" by Frank Wallace "Neo-Tech Power and the Neo-Tech Advantages for Unlimited Prosperity, Happiness, and Romantic Love". Copyright 1990. I bought it about 10 or 12 years ago.
BS. The Zonpower Discovery was written after 1990. Zon and Zonpower didn't appear in any of their publications until 1992 when they published Cassandra's Secret. The Zonpower Discover was published later.
If I didn't agree with myself, I wouldn't post what myself says. LOL
BS. The Zonpower Discovery was written after 1990. Zon and Zonpower didn't appear in any of their publications until 1992 when they published Cassandra's Secret. The Zonpower Discover was published later.
Well, you're going to lose this argument also because the book is sitting right in front of me and it says "Copyright 1990". What information do you want from it to prove it? It's black, paperback, it says "Manuscript# 192111" in a box on the front cover. On the copyright page, it has this (centered of course, I'm too lazy to center it):
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ISBN # 9111752-61-7
Library of Congress #89-083296
Copyright c1990
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Neo-Tech Worldwide
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There's a picture of Hitler on the inside of the back cover and it says that the Nazis would've been laughed out of existence as pip-sqeaks and clowns had Neo-Tech existed then.
Do I have a rare original? Is it worth something?
Well, you're going to lose this argument also because the book is sitting right in front of me and it says "Copyright 1990". What information do you want from it to prove it? It's black, paperback, it says "Manuscript# 192111" in a box on the front cover. On the copyright page, it has this (centered of course, I'm too lazy to center it):
Like I said, the Zonpower Discovery wasn't published until after 1990. What's the title of the book you have?
That's not all you said, you said it wasn't written until after 1990.
What's the title of the book you have?
I told you in post #361. Large letters: "THE ZONPOWER DISCOVERY", small letters in a white box: "Neo-Tech Power and the Neo-Tech Advantages for Unlimited Prosperity, Happiness, and Romantic Love".
Here's some more info I found on the "Manuscript Copy" page: Manuscript Copy Copyright c 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1990 by Neo-Tech Worldwide. First Printing was January 1980. My thirty sixth printing was December 1992. That's what I originally said "about 10 or 12 years ago". What was "BS" about it?
#3Fan: I still have the book: "The Zonpower Discovery" by Frank Wallace "Neo-Tech Power and the Neo-Tech Advantages for Unlimited Prosperity, Happiness, and Romantic Love". Copyright 1990. 361
What was "BS" about it?
That you said you had a copy of The Zonpower Discovery that was copyright 1990. The words "Zon" and "Zonpower" weren't published in any of Neo-Tech's publications until 1992. Whatever book you may or may not have is what it is. I have no way of validating your veracity on that issue. There is a wealth of posts on this thread exposing your dishonesty. I'll leave it at that. You may have the last word.
You're psycho. The name of the book is "The Zonpower Discovery", it was copyrighted in 1990, the thirty-sixth printing was published in December 1992, and that's about when I bought it, about 10 years ago, like I said.
I have no way of validating your veracity on that issue. There is a wealth of posts on this thread exposing your dishonesty.
Where was I dishonest?
I'll leave it at that. You may have the last word.
You've made enough mistakes for one thread, huh.
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