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To: Black Agnes
Yes Glendenning did.

One other thing....The bullets being used which are(if what they said is true) are not available to the public. Those frag rounds are not from the local Walmart. Hunting rounds are designed to expand, but not to leave a few hundred chunks of shrapnel in the meat. These rounds are meant to go into soft tissue and explode. There are only a few sources for those kind of rounds. BTW, I heard earlier that the caliber being used is the NATO issue.

38 posted on 10/10/2002 2:57:30 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: blackdog
Makes sense about the round fractionating that way. Didn't the first reports last night re: Manassas say it was a shotgun blast and not the sniper's .223? NATO round would be equally interesting. Wonder what sort of Manchurian candidate the elites have cooked up for us this time...
41 posted on 10/10/2002 3:00:37 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: blackdog
"Those frag rounds are not from the local Walmart"

Maybe not Walmart, but they are available in many gun shops. These are varmit rounds. Many use a poly carbonite tip (ballistic tip). They are made to expend all their energy into a critter. On coyotes, they will not exit but then my SP's won't either.

If you would like to see how well the Rem 223 works on varmits, find the video Exploding Varmits. Strange as it is, women like to watch it.

48 posted on 10/10/2002 3:19:25 PM PDT by Deguello
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To: blackdog
.223 Varmint rounds have always been available in a form that would literally disintegrate on impact!
50 posted on 10/10/2002 3:23:05 PM PDT by Vinnie_Vidi_Vici
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To: blackdog
One other thing....The bullets being used which are(if what they said is true) are not available to the public. Those frag rounds are not from the local Walmart. Hunting rounds are designed to expand, but not to leave a few hundred chunks of shrapnel in the meat.

Walmart might not carry them, but "Cheaper than Dirt" does.

Glaser safety slug in .223 is a copper-jacketed round filled with birdshot. It will fragment quite nicely on impact

56 posted on 10/10/2002 3:33:05 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: blackdog
Hunting rounds are designed to expand, but not to leave a few hundred chunks of shrapnel in the meat.

Never shot TNTs'? Varmint rounds (hollow points usually, but also soft points and even some FMJ) are usually designed with a very thin jacket and soft core so that they will, literally, explode on impact. I've shot some loads into gallon jugs of water that explode the jug without leaving an exit hole (the inside of the jug is often coated with a black residue from the lead core); never even found a single fragment. These rounds could quite possible be from the local Walmart and are almost certainly not military if they are leaving nothing but tiny fragments.

74 posted on 10/10/2002 4:13:12 PM PDT by templar
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