Man Beaten and Left for Dead by Grandchildren, Police Say

NYT.Com ^ | October 10, 2002 | MARIA NEWMAN

[Sweet_Sunflower29]

Another day in paradise...

[Hildy]

Oh my God. This is probably one of the worst things I've seen in quite awhile. And that's saying alot, with what's going on in the world.

[NC Conservative]

This world is nuts. Seems our country is almost in hell. We flew out of the handbasket a long time ago.

[Texas_Jarhead]

man, the wackos are out in full force these days

[Stingray51]

So the 58 year-old victim has a 24 year-old mutant for a granddaughter. That is a spread of only 34 years. If you assume that the perp's parent, the son or daughter of the victim, is halfway in age between the two, he / she would now be 41. This would mean that the victim became a parent at 17 as did his child. Maybe my math is fouled up, I am not a numbers guy, but something is wrong with this picture.

[Alouette]

If he's 58, and his granddaughter is 24, that means he had an adult child (or at least one capable of reproducing) by the time he was 34. That means he likely fathered a child at 17, and his offspring also reproduced while a teenager.

[Consort]

I think I found the root of the problem. Notice all the "D"s after the names below:

Borough of Paulsboro

1211 Delaware Street,
Paulsboro, NJ 08066
Phone: 423-1500
FAX: 423-9117

Municipal Offices 

Mayor
    John J. Burzichelli (D)

Members of Council 
Elsie Tedeski (D) 
John A. Giovannitti (D) 
Joe L. Kidd (D) 
Lawrence Haynes, Sr. (D) 
W. Jeffery Hamilton (D) 
John J. Gentile (D) 

[Alouette]

Maybe my math is fouled up, I am not a numbers guy

Your calculations are correct. I'm a math major.

[Alouette]

Sorry, the previous post was meant for you.

[Liberal Classic]

You know kids nowadays.

#*@&!

These aren't kids, they're monsters.

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[Blood of Tyrants]

This is an obvious product of the mean old Republicans' desire to kill children and throw old people into the street.(sarcasm off)

[Slyfox]

In the early eighties, a group of us parents fought a "self-esteem" program that was going into our kids' school. We purchased the program ourselves and sat down and studied it in detail. We even got three top notch professors to help us analyze it. I took the program to a wisened old priest to ask for his opinion on the program. He told me, in so many words, that it was crap and the effect it would have on kids would be essentially a complete loss of conscience. He also said it would be years before this kind of teaching would bear it's ugly fruit.

This "self-esteem" stuff is what those kids have been taught. What YOU decide is moral is moral. YOU make your own decisions. YOU can decide to do whatever YOU what to do whenever YOU want to do it. If YOU want to plot to kill your grandfather and bury him half naked, what's it to anyone else?

[Constitutionalist Conservative]

"You know kids nowadays."

Umm, right. Interesting rationalization from the wife of the kids' grandfather. The article's wording seems to carefully avoid calling her the kids' grandmother.

[Consort]

The Gloucester County Board of Freeholders....are all Democrats!

[FITZ]

These aren't kids, they're monsters.

Still ---what happened in these kids' lives to make them so full of hate? Maybe the grandfather was cruel, maybe there was never any love in that family. Kids raised with love wouldn't all turn out bad.

[Liberal Classic]

Maybe the grandfather was cruel, maybe there was never any love in that family.

Well, I don't know, but it's idiotic to blurt out with "they're just kids." Just kids don't beat family members to death, and even their upbringing doen't excuse their actions in my eyes.

[mondonico]

"They were ... trying to kill him," she said. "They wanted to get into his bank account. I don't know why. You know kids nowadays."

Yeah, just another episode of Little Rascals.