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To: demolition angel
Okay, the painting nails the fact that this was NOT taken in Davis' office -- if the fat cat is telling the truth. Next question: Why didn't he come forward earlier? Was this a set-up job?

Bigger question: since we don't have photographic evidence that Davis is a crook, how solid is the circumstantial evidence that he IS a crook, a thousand times over?

Has Davis been taking (a word I just invented) "frontbacks"? In a normal public crime, the official grants the contract and after the contractor gets paid, he gives the politician a kickback. Davis seems to have reversed the pattern. The contractor pays the "frontback" and later he gets the contract.

Of course, reversing the pattern, the contractor has to count on the fact that the politician is "honest." That means in places like New Jersey, "Once he's bought, he stays bought."

Congressman Billybob

125 posted on 10/09/2002 4:37:33 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
To use a football analogy, it was fourth and ten - late in the game - with the Simon team deep in their own territory.
Yes, they did throw a "Hail Mary," and
Yes, the pass was intercepted, but...
...the Davis team now gets the ball - for a while - deep in THEIR territory.
While we ALL would have preferred that this snafu had not happened, the focus is STILL on Gray Davis and fundraising.
Gray Davis is STILL a whore - and EVERYBODY knows it.
We just haven't been able to CONVICT him - yet.
Not to worry.We WILL (still) "Dump DAVIS!"

127 posted on 10/09/2002 4:52:26 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: Congressman Billybob
Next question: Why didn't he come forward earlier?

Um, because the story just broke yesterday? It made the evening news here in SoCal. Guy calls the media, story makes the next news cycle.

What I find interesting is the Davis gets campaign money from this COPS organization, but Simon gives THEM campaign money? What's up with that?

129 posted on 10/09/2002 5:38:29 PM PDT by Heyworth
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To: Congressman Billybob
Okay, the painting nails the fact that this was NOT taken in Davis' office -- if the fat cat is telling the truth. Next question: Why didn't he come forward earlier? Was this a set-up job?

Let's see. COPS handed out the photo Tuesday. The guy from KB Homes came forward today, Wednesday. Is this a long delay to you?

A set-up job?

By whom? Simon, COPS, or Davis?

With regard to the "circumstantial" evidence that Davis is a crook, there certainly have been some questionable activities. Whether questionable activities equals crook is likely to depend upon the viewer's political persuasion.

To me, Davis' defining characteristic is being risk adverse. Quite simply, throughout his entire political career he has been quite cautious, sometime to absurd degrees.

I have a hard time believing that, given Davis' characteristics, he is what you would call a crook. However, I've been surprised before, so I can't really finally answer the question.

Getting back to Simon, I think this latest faux paus simply shows that he is getting desparate. The photo is date stamped for a Saturday, for goodness sake. While it isn't impossible for a state office to open on a Saturday, it would tend to be unusual, although if you were going to break the law you might want to do it when there were fewer witnesses (but then pose for a photo?).

Simon has made mistake after mistake. If anything, this shows that Davis is politically astute, having spent his money to knock off Riordan in the GOP primary.

130 posted on 10/09/2002 5:45:09 PM PDT by demolition angel
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