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To: whattajoke
Do creationists realize that if a peer reviewed scientist were to come forth with one iota of evidence supporting creation, he'd be on every magazine/paper cover, lauded with awards, glory and money, and most assuredly would become not only a hero to religious people everywhere, but a respected revolutionary thinker up there with Einstein and Hawking?

It has been proven by carbon dating that oil and coal are merely thousands of years old, not millions, as evolution would have you suggest.

The first law of thermodynamics rules out even the most remote possibility of evolution. That's right. A scientifically accepted LAW rules out the possibility that the THEORY of evolution could be correct. The first law of thermodynamics states that there can be no creation or annihilation of mass/energy. One form of energy can be converted into another form, one state of matter can be converted into another state, and there can even be matter/energy conversions. However the total amount of matter and energy remains constant. So much for the possibility that the universe just sprang into life by accident.

The second law of thermodynamics - this one is really good. To refute it, you have to be either completely ignorant of science, or a complete liar. This LAW tells us that anything which is organized, tends with time, to become disorganized. The increase in information required for a life form to evolve could not happen as this increase in information violates the LAW of thermodynamics.

The first law of biogenetics - doesn't it really bother you when a creationist uses the LAWS of your religion (science) in arguments against you? Anyway, the first LAW of biogenetics has 2 provable concepts to it: (a) Life can only come from life. (b) Like kind ALWAYS gives rise to like kind. In all the years of observing nature, no scientist, no person ever has seen this law violated or broken in any way.

Over the last 150 years, scientists have been carefully measuring the earth's magnetic field. These measurements have shown that the magnetic field decreases by half every 1400 years. Extropolate this backwards, and a mere 12,000 years ago, earth would have been a magnetic star, totally incapable of supporting ANY life, even the most simple bacteria.

Anywhere and everywhere on earth where granite is found, it contains mica. Mica is composed of 3 different isotopes polonium-210, polonium-218, and polonium-214. The shortest lived of these has a half life measure in at less than 0.002 seconds. The longest half-life is 3 minutes. This means that the granite was fully formed in a timeframe between a maximum of 21 minutes and a minimum of less than 1/2 second. Granite could not possibly take 300 million years to form, as evolutionists would like to believe. Science itself has proven the very notion to be silly and ridiculous.

These are all well known scientific facts. There are many others that equally invalidate the theory of evolution. The fact that so many people are willing to tenaciously hold on to their belief in evolution, in spite of the over abundance of scientific evidence that disproves it, is completely bewildering to me.

268 posted on 10/15/2002 3:06:35 PM PDT by JavaTheHutt
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To: JavaTheHutt
It has been proven by carbon dating that oil and coal are merely thousands of years old, not millions, as evolution would have you suggest.

Really? How about a link then? Although, how is that related evolutionary theory??

The first law of thermodynamics rules out even the most remote possibility of evolution.[idiocy snipped]

Wrong!

The second law of thermodynamics - this one is really good. To refute it, you have to be either completely ignorant of science, or a complete liar. This LAW tells us that anything which is organized, tends with time, to become disorganized.

Wrong!

The first law of biogenetics [idiocy snipped]

Wrong!

Over the last 150 years, scientists have been carefully measuring the earth's magnetic field. These measurements have shown that the magnetic field decreases by half every 1400 years. Extropolate this backwards, and a mere 12,000 years ago, earth would have been a magnetic star, totally incapable of supporting ANY life, even the most simple bacteria.

Wrong!

Anywhere and everywhere on earth where granite is found, it contains mica.[idiocy snipped]

Wrong!

These are all well known scientific facts.

Wrong!

There are many others that equally invalidate the theory of evolution.

Wrong!

The fact that so many people are willing to tenaciously hold on to their belief in evolution, in spite of the over abundance of scientific evidence that disproves it, is completely bewildering to me.

Well, since you are 0-for-8 so far, maybe you're just spectacularly ignorant of science in general and evolution in particular.

271 posted on 10/15/2002 5:39:57 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: JavaTheHutt
While I was about to reply in much the same manner as Balrog666, I will try not to. It's just so difficult to "debate" (your word, not mine, as this is hardly an actual "debate") you and your silly notions. Your grasp of some basic scientific concepts is nil.

Carbon dating proves oil is "new?" So, you are using carbon dating as "proof," but if an evil-utionist were to use C dating evidence, then you would dismiss it as being inaccurate, right? Please enlighten Balrog and myself with this evidence.

If your thoughts on the 1st Law of Thermodynamics held any weight, it would rule out god too.

The 2nd Law "argument" is so ignorant, I think even Gish and the ICR finally gave up on it. Your supposition completely disregards that little thing we call the sun. I'm not sure where you live, but I'm pretty sure you get some sun every now and then.

The Biogenetic thing is all wrong. These "Biogenetic Laws" were proposed by German artist amateur biologist Ernst Haeckel. There is no such "law" except in the creationist literature. And anyway, it didn't even state what you wrote!

Your wonderful capitulation of the magnetic field changes will win you a nobel prize when you prove it. I bid you good luck. (FYI, you're being lied to by those creationists you read... they are manipulating science and giving you half stories. Yes, the magnetic field changes, but not in the way you are being lied to).

The granite/mica thing is new to me. I'll leave that one up to someone with a better background. Its just another creationist claim so outlandish as to make it difficult to counter.


274 posted on 10/16/2002 8:08:40 AM PDT by whattajoke
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To: JavaTheHutt
The second law of thermodynamics - this one is really good. To refute it, you have to be either completely ignorant of science, or a complete liar. This LAW tells us that anything which is organized, tends with time, to become disorganized.

No. the second law says the total entropy of system plus surroundings must increase in a spontaneous process. Entropy is a very carefully defined quantity which can loosely be associated with disorder, but what matters is that the total entropy changes. So, for example, there is no problem with beautifully ordered ice crystals growing spontaneously from a freezing fog, because in doing so they emit heat, which in flowing into the air disorders it. And there is no problem with a small amount of order (life) arising in the presence of a massive increase in disorder (the massive emisison of light and heat by the sun.)

Moving on down. Anywhere and everywhere on earth where granite is found, it contains mica. Mica is composed of 3 different isotopes polonium-210, polonium-218, and polonium-214. The shortest lived of these has a half life measure in at less than 0.002 seconds. The longest half-life is 3 minutes. This means that the granite was fully formed in a timeframe between a maximum of 21 minutes and a minimum of less than 1/2 second. Granite could not possibly take 300 million years to form, as evolutionists would like to believe. Science itself has proven the very notion to be silly and ridiculous.

http://www.mme.state.va.us/Dmr/GALLERY/HISTORIC/mica/mica_chem.html

See any polonium there?

And think about this. If mica was polonium, and polonium decays with a half life of 21 minutes, then if the granite is even a day old, there wouldn't be any polonium left, will there?

Etc. Don't they teach science in school any more?

278 posted on 10/16/2002 3:10:20 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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