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13 Year Old Boy Shot Outside Bowie, Md. Middle School, Not Known if Sniper Related
CNN Breaking news ^ | 07 OCT 02 | DCBryan1

Posted on 10/07/2002 5:42:23 AM PDT by DCBryan1

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To: relee
"Also one of the dogs hit on an area in the woods and the police recruits are checking it out now."

Dogs? K-9 unit, or somebody's house pet?

1,581 posted on 10/07/2002 1:07:11 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
These are BATF dogs. They train 100 times a day. Some for explosives, some for shell casings.
1,582 posted on 10/07/2002 1:09:14 PM PDT by relee
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To: Lord Marshal
Sounds like a rib deflected a pretty good shot to the chest. How far out was he on this shoot, or has anybody said yet?
1,583 posted on 10/07/2002 1:09:15 PM PDT by Wingsofgold
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To: r9etb
I don't think we totally disagree, since we both think the shooter has to necessarily live or work in the area, as so many in the media suggest.
1,584 posted on 10/07/2002 1:09:58 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: freeperfromnj
Heheheee. If they gettin the job done, we WON'T hear from them. :)
1,585 posted on 10/07/2002 1:10:54 PM PDT by Wingsofgold
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To: two23; relee
OH...I read Relee's post wrong...thought it said a dog WAS hit in the woods, not that a dog HIT in something in the woods...my brain is beginning to go numb...still, prayers for that kid and his family.
1,586 posted on 10/07/2002 1:11:30 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
The ATF spokesman mentioned the cooperation of the Secret Service...
1,587 posted on 10/07/2002 1:12:30 PM PDT by Lord Marshal
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To: cake_crumb
Heheeh. roflmao. I needed that :) Thanks for tha laugh.
1,588 posted on 10/07/2002 1:13:37 PM PDT by Wingsofgold
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To: relee
"These are BATF dogs. They train 100 times a day. Some for explosives, some for shell casings."

Yep. Wll trained dogs...I misunderstood your post, and thought you had wrote that a dog HAD BEEN hit in the woods...things went downhill from there.

1,589 posted on 10/07/2002 1:14:01 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: All
Well freepers I am going to attempt to organize my thoughts on this.

Throughout this I am using singular in reference to the killer. It may very well be a team effort. No conclusion is possible yet.

First the facts:

1. The killer/killers is using a firearm that fires a .224 diameter bullet.

2. So far the killer has made at least one head shot. The lady sitting on a bench in front of the post office.

3. Several witnesses have heard the sound of a rifle shot.

4. Most of the victims have been shot while in relatively affluent suburban areas.( The exception maybe the man killed in DC proper. I don't know enough about the area to know if it is affluent or not.)

5. The killer fires at most one shot.

6. The killer has scored a hit everytime except once. Then he fired through a pane of glass.

Reasonable conjecture:

1. The killer is most definitely mobile in a vehicle of some sort. The killer is either firing from a vehicle or is in immediate proximity to a vehicle.

2. The killer does not appear to be motivated by race. His victims are a mixed variety of different races.

3. The killer shows some concern for escape routes. He is making most of his shots in areas near major through fares.

Speculation:

1. The killer is using a bolt action scoped rifle. Each time one and only one shot is fired. I think if anybody had access to a semiauto rifle more than one shot would have been fired at some time. Also a brass catcher would not have to be used. The one lady who was shot in the head would have been a difficult shot with iron sights only.

2. The killer is most likely using an actual .223 caliber rifle. This is the most common type of rifle available in that bullet diameter.

3. The killer is using FMJ type bullets. Two reasons for believing this. First several of the shots are trough and through. Meaning the victim has both an exit and an entry wound. Most .223 diameter bullets that are not FMJ designs have a very thin jacket that fragments on impact. The first shot at the michaels went through a glass window, part of the cash register and then a book rack. A thin jacket bullet would have broken up. Secondly, a varmit bullet would pulverize a very large area. Two of the victims in this case had exit wounds about the size of a teacup. I have shot .223 FMJ bullets at animals and this correlates with my experinces. A Varmit bullet would leave a larger exit cavity if it penetrated all the way through.

4. The killer does not display any great knowledge of firearms. It is possible to learn to do everything that he has done with only one weeks training. Learning to shoot a scoped rifle is considerably easier than shooting an iron sight rifle.

5. The choice of a .223 round is unusual. A person with a high knowledge of firearms would realize that they are seriously undergunned with a .223. Most people will survive hits from this type of weapon. A .30 caliber cartridge would be a surer bet for killing people.

6. The range the shots are being taken from is most likely 200 yards or less. The one head shot would tend to support this as well as the points made in speculations 4 and 5. A .223 would be less accurate at greater ranges due to less residual speed and the greater effect of wind on the lighter projectile.

7. It is highly unlikely that a 22-250 or 220 Swift is being used for the shots. This killer seems to use the KISS methodology. Keep It Simple Stupid. Also, if we accept the they are using FMJ bullets the killer would have to hand load FMJ bullets in those cartridges as I do not believe that anyone factory loads FMJ bullets in 22-250 or 22 Swift etc... It is only a .223 cartridge which is commonly found with .224 sized FMJ bullets. This would indicate greater knowledge of firearms which I believe would leave someone to choose a different caliber weapon.

8. The killer has been trained with a rudimentary method of operation that minimizes his risk. First, fire only one shot. Second, do not be too picky, shoot whatever target is available. Third, take you shot from an area which has good escape routes. Fourth, do not stick around and gawk.

9. Again I think the shooter is not an expert. Two other things about the shooters skill level come to mind. First of all he tried a shot through a window. Somebody who has extensively studied shooting would know this was a bad idea as the window can deflect a bullet. Second the use of a .223 round has one significant advantage to a novice shooter. It has very little recoil. It makes a lot of noise but does not have much bite. A novice shooter would have a much easier time hitting within this than with a larger rifle.

10. I think it is likely that two people are being used for the shooting team. One to drive and act as a lookout the other as the trigger man. So far the shooter has not made a mistake like taking a shot in the immediate presence of other people. It is hard to be focused on your shooting and looking all around yourself for potential witnesses.

11. The shooter is taking shots from inside a vehicle. The vehicle enclosure would serve to muffle the shot somewhat. The transfer from a vehicle to an outside shooting position would leave the shooter vulnerable to discovery. It would be much less notable if a window was simply left open on a vehicle, which then drove away. This follows the kiss rule exactly.

Conclusion:

We are looking for a two person team. I feel that they are probably shooting from inside an enclosed vehicle, van, truck with camper shell, rv, service van etc. The shooter leaves the immediate presence of each shooting asap after making the shot. The shooter is using a scoped .223 rifle with FMJ bullets. Look for a vehicle with Maryland tags on it. The change in tempo of the shootings from Wednesday-Thursday to Friday and today may mean that some fundamental change has been made in the method of operation. Either a different shooter, different vehicle, or the shooter is assuming that he is at greater risk due to the increase in awareness of everyone in the area

Question:

Is the shooter a domestic nut or terrorist? I believe that a domestic nut would be more likely to use a larger caliber weapon. They would also be more likely to be operating alone. I would have to believe that we are looking at some form of foreign inspired/directed terrorist.

Disclaimer: I do not pretend to have all of the answers. The above post is what merely seems reaonable to me. I could very well be wrong on many of the individual items in the list.

1,590 posted on 10/07/2002 1:14:09 PM PDT by Fellow Traveler
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To: Lord Marshal
There ya go. :) Those boys usta be pretty good at trackin this kinda thing.
1,591 posted on 10/07/2002 1:15:40 PM PDT by Wingsofgold
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To: Lord Marshal
Thas one reason I keep askin distance. Some folks in DC usta keep pretty close track on who could do what wid which, when it came to certain talents. I'm hopin that's still tha case, but ya never know since Clinton.
1,592 posted on 10/07/2002 1:18:07 PM PDT by Wingsofgold
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To: Wingsofgold
"Heheeh. roflmao. I needed that :) Thanks for tha laugh."

I frequently begin to suffer from mild to severe brain death about this time in the afternoon...

1,593 posted on 10/07/2002 1:18:18 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Fellow Traveler
Excellent analysis. I can tell you that the area of the DC shooting is in what ten years ago (when I lived in the same vicinity, about five or six blocks away) was in a fairly quiet and semi-affluent area between Walter Reed Medical Center and the DC line. Just across the DC line you go into the downtown area of Silver Spring, where quite a bit of development has been taking place, spurred on by the Silver Spring Metro station.
1,594 posted on 10/07/2002 1:20:29 PM PDT by mhking
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To: Fellow Traveler
As to the random-ness of the crime--there is one thing that each victim afforded the sniper:

A.C.E

Acesss

Cover

Escape

The sniper chooses a victim providing he has all 3 of those components

1,595 posted on 10/07/2002 1:20:52 PM PDT by two23
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To: two23
A.C.E

So you can protect yourself by denying the shooter at least one of these. How do you do that?

1,596 posted on 10/07/2002 1:23:38 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: Fellow Traveler
Pretty much agree.

The glass may have been something other than an amateur mistake but I don't have a what. If they were really on the ball, they might have a third party in an other vehicle to speed away noisily when they shoot. Then the shooting team could amble on out of there quietly.

If caught, the rabbit just says he heard the shot and panicked/ran. Then he gives a bad description of vehicle and occupants.

If it is a lone loony, he'll be caught. If not, things are only getting started.
1,597 posted on 10/07/2002 1:23:53 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Fellow Traveler; harpseal; abner; Dog; tracer
Thanks for your synopsis and conclusions. Very interesting and I share similar conclusions with you.
1,598 posted on 10/07/2002 1:24:02 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Fellow Traveler
5. The choice of a .223 round is unusual. A person with a high knowledge of firearms would realize that they are seriously undergunned with a .223. Most people will survive hits from this type of weapon. A .30 caliber cartridge would be a surer bet for killing people.

A .30 cal cartridge would generate much more muzzle blast, which would increase the difficulty of evading detection. If the objective is to create terror, he doesn't need a 100% guaranteed kill. And he's killing the majority of who he hits

1,599 posted on 10/07/2002 1:25:26 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: abner
Anyone familiar with symbols able to detect if the sequence means anything ? The start of a letter, a constellation, route ?


1,600 posted on 10/07/2002 1:26:23 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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