13 Year Old Boy Shot Outside Bowie, Md. Middle School, Not Known if Sniper Related

CNN Breaking news ^ | 07 OCT 02 | DCBryan1

[DCBryan1]

13 year old boy shot infront of school. Police scanners on!

[nevergore]

"I bet a large number of freepers could figure out how to set up a shot and execute a pre-planned escape route. Anyone that watches tv could think of that. "

I watched Matlock but I wouldn't try be a lawyer....:^)

Although the concept is not overwheming in practice it requires a degree and competence that requires training and discipline. These guys are making NO MISTAKES that have been apparent and this indicates prior training..... This appears not to be a OJT group.....

They're carefully staking out there locations prior not just rolling up and spray and pray.....

Just speaking from practical experience, these guys have the appearance of a professional team. They may not be as skilled or to the level of training that our SpecWar guys are but they have executed flawlessly to date (Well almost) two victims have survived so far.....

NeverGore

[BureaucratusMaximus]

They praised the aunt for taking him to the medical center.

So much for the "waiting for 911" argument.

Sheesh.

[relee]

I too, often fish alone in remote areas. As far as I know, a fisherman discovered a body this weekend and the body the fisherman found is not related to the Montgomery Co. sniper shootings.

[Sacajaweau]

You're absolutely right...we see patterns...what we consider "order". We would remember a car parked ON a curb when all the other cars were parked in normal fashion.

We are so focused when we set off on our little missions (to the store etc..) we hardly really notice anything (or anyone unless we know them).

I guess my big question is: How big would this weapon have to be?? Could it be folded and put in a backpack?? or are we talking a violin case??

Sac

[aristeides]

but I think I heard somewhere two shots went into this boy.

That's what the first reports said, but it seems that they were wrong. Apparently there was just one shot this time too.

[cyphergirl]

Just FYI, in Baltimore County, EMTs are instructed that when dispatched on a shooting or knifing, they should wait to offer care until the police have arrived and secured the scene .. so yes, they'll come, but it may be a few minutes before they do anything. There's also the couple of minutes that goes by while you're talking on the phone with 911. 911 takes a minute or two to send out the call. The EMT's take at least 90 seconds to get their gear and get on the ambo -- then whatever time it takes to get there and have the scene secured.

I agree -- the mom did the right thing in this instance.

--patti (IAAFPNAE -- I am a fire photographer, not an EMT)

[relee]

The police recruits have arrived in 3 busses to search the woods near the school. These are not the same recruits that searched Rock Creek Park during the summer. Those were DC recruits. These are Montgomery County (Maryland State) recruits so there's a chance they will find something.

[Mat_Helm]

The speculation by the media and everyone else for the shootings is foolish. We don't know if it is one shooter or a dozen. For all anyone knows it could be an armed group staging and planing a shooting campaign in the D.C. metro area. We don't know that it is a .223 rifle. We have been told it may be a .22 diameter bullet wound from a high velocity cartridge. This could come from a dozen or more different types of rifle calibers from 22 swift to .22-250. For all anyone knows it could be slightly larger to .243, 6mm, etc... If they have bullet fragments they may be able to discover more but boubtful. They are going by the wounds to determine bullet type. A larger cartridge with more energy would inflict greator damage. They do not know the range the weapon is being fired from (200 yards - 500 yards?) and are speculating a lower energy bullet from a high velocity .22 caliber weapon and assume from the wounds inflicted that .223 is the probable cartridge beeing used.

The police have incorrectly speculated on the weapon type and the ignorant media with an agenda is aiding them in deamonizing all rifle types and those that own them.

Known facts: several people have been shot from a distance by a high velocity small caliber weapon with no witnesses of any of the shooters. All the of the victems appear to be randomly chosen and hit with a single shot. The D.C. metro area is being terrorized by the shooting as it continues day and night with no known shootings over the weekend. The activity may be from low level trained shooter(s) to a skilled marksmen but can be classified as a sniper because distance and or concealment thus far has prevented identifying any suspects which have restrained from taking a second shot and avoided detection in the target area. No evidence is left behind including shell casings. If a semiauto weapon is being used they are picking up the spent case. It is more likely to be a bolt action rifle with no shell being ejected and possibly with a suspressed barrel.

[aristeides]

I guess my big question is: How big would this weapon have to be?? Could it be folded and put in a backpack?? or are we talking a violin case??

Anybody know whether it's possible to make a firearm that can be disassembled to look like something else, like the crutch in Day of the Jackal?

[Sacajaweau]

A fisherman was shot somewhere in the nearby vicinity but it was a 22 I think. Regardless, dead id dead and it's just possible these snipers deliberately used a different weapon to discount "them" as being in the area.

Just trying to cover all the scenarios.

Wonder if there is a camping area, State park, nearby.

There would be much less use with the kids now back in school.

Sac

[browardchad]

There was a report on Friday night of a fishmerman shot in a "remote area" (in Maryland I believe). The media jumped on it immediately, but it was quickly dismissed as non-related -- there wasn't much more info.

[Wingsofgold]

Heheheeee. That is entirely probable.

[aristeides]

Care to explain how it could happen that the strategies that the voices in somebody's head suggest to him would turn out to be this effective?

[r9etb]

These guys are making NO MISTAKES that have been apparent and this indicates prior training.....

No mistakes that we've heard about, anyway. However, buried somewhere in the thread above is a comment from a federal(?) LEO that they have gotten "good evidence" at some of the shooting sites, which leads me to believe the bad guy isn't as trace-free as we're assuming.

And, of course, there's also nothing saying that the perp cannot have had prior training and is a nutjob.

[Aquinasfan]

Apparently there was just one shot this time too.

Someone suggested that this was done in order to prevent triangulation of the sniper's position.

Who knows enough to do this?

Why would the shooter do this?

What type of person is ruled out? It certainly seems that this would rule out thrill killers.

[aristeides]

When I heard the story about a fisherman, I immediately thought of William Colby dying in a canoe on the Chesapeake. Anybody know whether this fisherman was in a canoe?

[stuartcr]

Correct, just goes to show how random acts of violence are subject to nothing more than supposition on our part. There are hundreds of maybes, each as valid as the other. If it stops, then we'll never know.

[Uncle Jaque]

Two quick shots... or a two (or more) round burst from a full-auto, possibly surpressed weapon. My original theory (posted on a related thread) was for a bolt-action, as they tend to be more accurate; but many auto guns are capable of sniper accuracy out to 400 meters or more. Although Military Riflemen claim that the M-16 and it's varients are accurate out to over 600 meters, my experience with a very similar round - the .222 Remington - is that it starts losing velocity and accuracy pretty quickly beyond 200 meters. I have popped many a woodchuck with one back in my youth.

Another feature of these high velocity (3000 Feet per Second or more) small caliber rounds is that they tend to disintegrate or even vaporize upon impact with almost anything; even a blade of grass will cause some of them to blow up; I used to like this feature when varmint hunting, as it minimized downrange hazzards due to riccochets.
This same effect causes the almost ledgendary immediate incapacitation effect of these rounds; although the bullet contains no explosive per se, it comes apart when destabilized upon contact with the explosive force of at least a cherry-bomb. When that happens inside of a human body, which is mostly fluid, it creates a hydrostatic shock wave which transmits the explosive blow of impact throughout the entire system - including the brain - which is why a person or animal squarely hit with one of these more often than not goes down as if struck by a lightning bolt or as if whacked in the head with a sledgehammer. Due to considerable tissue destruction, hemmorage is severe and typically fatal. If the bullet remains sufficiently intact to exit the body (often they do not, but a military full-metal jacketed bullet sometimes will) the exit wound will be far bigger than the entrance, and quite a lot of blood and tissue will be explosively ejected with the remnants of the projectile. This would account for the "splatter" blood pattern on the side of some of the Victim's vehicles. The hole in the window behind the female Victim at the P.O. could have been made more by an ejected fragment of her scull than a bullet. It's not a pretty sight.

Recent developments are all pretty much consistent with a few of the theories posted here, and I will not be surprised if we see more specific targeting by these Perps in the near future, to include children and Police Officers.
The timing might be a coincedence... but I rather doubt it.

Stay tuned... and remain vigilent.

[Wingsofgold]

Sure makes more sense, from the shooters' viewpoint, to take one shot. Thanks. I have mixed thoughts about early news reports. Sometimes they turn out the most accurate, but most often are totally wrong. I first heard all this early, then been busy since and hadn't kept up.