Another DC-area sniper-style shooting

Wife (FReeper nina0113) | October 4, 2002 | Steve0113

[Steve0113]

Another broad-daylight shooting just occurred, this time in Fredericksburg, VA, just off I-95. It's not even on the news yet.

About an hour's drive south of where the Montgomery County shootings happened, a woman was shot in the parking lot of a Michaels fabric store. My wife was in the store at the time. The victim had left the store and carried her purchases to her minivan. She unlocked the minivan and was loading her stuff into it when she was shot. No sign of the shooter.

No one else was injured.

The woman was taken away in an ambulance, condition unknown. Her license plate (which I'm not going to post) indicated that she had several children.

[FreeTheHostages]

Safe in Seattle! LOL! The PETA people will get you there!

P.S. I'm a dudette!

[wardaddy]

I explained myself without answering your question. I'm not afraid nor do I think others are wrong for writing out G-d's name. It's just my choice....or perhaps eccentricity.

[wcbtinman]

I saw this guy Van Zant on Fox late last night, and while he may be a great profiler, he made several nomenclature mistakes regarding firearms. Then he also started to refer to these guys in the possesive, as in "our guys", and "our boys". Made the hair stand up on the back of my neck. I really hope that what I heard was just my imagination.

I think his "profile" of a couple of young, mutually supportive, immature boys is complete hogwash. I think this is one guy with a heavy barrel AR-15 and some previous military training.(not necessarily the US military)

[Flyer]

Whatever floats your BLOAT.

[js1138]

You don't think engine vibration would affect a shot at 150 yards?

[Frapster]

[quote]Terrorists don't tend to leave much doubt whether their actions were intended as terrorism. That's why I don't think there's much chance this is an al-Qaida plot.[/quote]

I think September 11 has taught AQ a serious lesson. They had 3 attacks plan (apparently) and were unable to carry out the second 2 as a result of the 'round-up' done of suspects afterwards. I would not put it past the AQ to send out a couple of nuts on a rampage like this and only reveal their action aftewards. Otherwise it would prompt another round up making it harder for them to operate.

Or it could be a couple of thrill seekers whacked out on some schizoid mission.

[been_lurking]

You don't think engine vibration would affect a shot at 150 yards?

We are talking about an Isuzu here...

[Dead Dog]

The .223 rem. and the 5.56 Nato are used interchangeably. IIRC the .223 Rem. SAMMI spec is slightly different than the various 5.56 Nato specs in regards to bullet seating length. I Could be wrong.

I've also heard it was designed to wound, but that conflicts with the "devistating" tumbling characteristics it had when under rifled. (1:12 in the original, now usually between 1:9 or 1:7, so that effect is gone)

It was also designed for it's light weight, flat trajectory, and lack of recoil. Most of this was our military switching to full auto assult rifle from the .30 cal battle rifles (M1, M14). Basically, easier to shoot full auto, and you can cary more ammo for spray and pray. It was a McNamara thing, so who knows what the decisions were based on.

I love my AR-15, but would much rather our guys had M-14s or AR-10s in combat.

[Frapster]

"our guys", and "our boys" This is not to be taken in the literal sense. I've heard this term used many times in such a context.

[Cobra Scott]

In fact, I think they might even have planned on using slightly different hardware and MOs just to make it look like copycat stuff or something.

One team sets up with a rem700 in 222, takes 5 or 6 targets (we don't even know how many failed shots went unnoticed). Then they mosey on back to their suburban "good muslim" cover, and the news media provides the signal for the next group to begin on the next day, looking like a moving perp.

[phasma proeliator]

Thanks for the ping.

My gut says this is muslim terrorists.

[michigander]

Va. Shooting 'Similar' To Maryland Shooting Spree

Investigators Still Searching For White Truck

POSTED: 8:11 a.m. EDT October 4, 2002
UPDATED: 4:50 p.m. EDT October 4, 2002

ROCKVILLE, Md. -- A woman was shot outside a store near Fredericksburg, Va., Friday afternoon, in an incident with similarities to the shootings in Montgomery County, Md.

Spotsylvania County police say the woman was loading packages into her car about 2:30 p.m. at a Michaels crafts store outside Spotsylvania Mall when she was shot in the back. There was no official word on her condition, but witnesses say she was breathing and speaking.

The shot apparently was fired from a distance. The first incident in the Maryland shooting spree was a shot fired through the window of a Michaels store.

Police are not saying there's a connection between Friday afternoon's incident and the Maryland shootings. They say it's too soon to draw any conclusions.

However, Montgomery County police chief Charles Moose says he will send his investigators to Virginia to see if there is a connection to the shootings in his county.

[sissyjane]

As much as I hate MSNBC --they are the only channel in my area that is covering this story right now.

[Skywalk]

My apologies, m'lady.

I'm still more afraid of the Islamofascists than PETA or ELF or ALF. I get a bad feeling going over the bridge to downtown sometimes.

[Teacher317]

Imagine if Al-Qaeda uses this tactic as Phase II. Nobody will want to go shopping, outside, or even to work within 100 miles of any area where there's still one on the loose.

[mystery-ak]

...interesting...makes me wonder if this person isn't ex-military or police(like swat)...this shooter is deadly accurate, getting his target in one shot...

[js1138]

This isn't making me forget 911.

[dd5339]

Kind of depends on how rough the engine was running. It might mean a difference of an inch or so. But if your shooting for center mass in the torso, an inch doesn't matter much.

Semper Fi

[swarthyguy]

Mirrors the tactics that those recent alqaeda videotapes showed them training for. Urban areas, US style hiways, use traffic lights etc.