Twenty-three year old man shot dead by police in a marijuana raid

Dayton Daily News ^ | 10/01/02 | Cathy Mong

[PaxMacian]

RE: (Me) "The God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time; the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them." --Thomas Jefferson, 1774.

(You) Constitution - 1789. Founding Father who said smoking dope was a Constitutional right - nada.

(Thomas Jefferson, December 29, 1815) "A method of removing the difficulty of preparing hemp occurred to me .... To a person having a threshing machine, the addition of a hemp-break [constructed on my plan enables it to be] more perfectly beaten than I have ever seen done by hand .... I expect that a single horse will do the breaking and beating of ten men. Something of this kind has been so long wanted by the cultivators of hemp that .... I shall probably describe it anonymously in the public papers, in order to forestall the prevention of its use by some interloping patentee."

[PaxMacian]

Thomas Jefferson 1765 May12-13 Sowed Hemp at Muddy hole by Swamp.

[PaxMacian]

Thomas Jefferson 1765 August 7 : "began to separate [sic] the Male from the Female hemp. . . rather too late."

[tpaine]

Some toad-brained fool over at LP named "Obnoxicated" is offering to starch and iron your stained y-fronts, so impressed is he with your mealy-mouthed mufflings and squeaks here at FR. You are his hero. I cannot imagine anyone being that deluded or ignorant, but--there he is.
Go figure. - KC -


Not hard to figure at all, curry. Just as you do, Noxi pays attention to those I choose to chastize. - You in self defense, he in amusement.
He's a smart feller.

[Roscoe]

Your waiting is noted.

I don't expect you to support your assertions. Can't ask the impossible.

[tpaine]

Sure roscoe. Youdamam.

[Roscoe]

Proyect attempts to distinguish this body of authority by arguing that, while growing marijuana for distribution has a significant impact on interstate commerce, growing marijuana only for personal consumption does not. Despite the fact that he was convicted of growing more than 100 marijuana plants, making it very unlikely that he personally intended to consume all of his crop, Proyect contends that no one may be convicted under a statute that fails to distinguish between the cultivation of marijuana for distribution and the cultivation of marijuana for personal consumption. This contention is without merit.

Lopez did not purport to undermine the long-standing doctrine that "Congress may regulate activity that occurs wholly within a particular state if the activity has a sufficient nexus to interstate commerce." Genao, 79 F.3d at 1335. The nexus to interstate commerce, moreover, is determined by the class of activities regulated by the statute as a whole, not by the simple act for which an individual defendant is convicted. Thus, Congress unquestionably has the power to declare that an entire class of activities affects commerce. The only question for the courts is then whether the class is within the reach of the federal power. The contention that in Commerce Clause cases the courts have the power to excise, as trivial, individual instances falling within a rationally defined class of activities has been put entirely to rest.

UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE SECOND CIRCUIT
No. 253 August Term, 1996

Your falsehoods are tired and meritless.

[Havoc]

Ahh yes - the old I've never seen that denial. Never seen someone who so overdid it they had to be pumped full of fluids to compensate for the drug's severity in dehydrating them. Overdone so much that the drug literally put them on the floor and they could barely move. Care to refine your bs story sir?

I haven't seen average joes climbing the the walls for a drink after three days without. I've seen associates doing it because they didn't have the green to get the dry green.
OOps, not supposed to say such obvious things eh.. LOL. Keep the flags of propaganda flyin. Perhaps someone in a dunce hat will believe you.

[Roscoe]

1. specifically exempted personal commerce.

2. In the progress of things, this seems to have grown into a particular employment, and to have attracted the particular attention of government. Congress was no longer satisfied with comprehending vessels engaged specially in this business, within those provisions which were intended for vessels generally; and, on the 2d of March, 1819, passed 'an act regulating passenger ships and [22 U.S. 1, 218] vessels.' This wise and humane law provides for the safety and comfort of passengers, and for the communication of every thing concerning them which may interest the government, to the Department of State, but makes no provision concerning the entry of the vessel, or her conduct in the waters of the United States. This, we think, shows conclusively the sense of Congress, (if, indeed, any evidence to that point could be required,) that the pre-existing regulations comprehended passenger ships among others; and, in prescribing the same duties, the Legislature must have considered them as possessing the same rights.

No "specific" exemption of "personal commerce", whatever that means.

Not even a mention of "personal commerce."

You made it up.

[Roscoe]

(Thomas Jefferson, December 29, 1815) "A method of removing the difficulty of preparing hemp occurred to me

It wasn't illegal at that time.

[tpaine]

"I don't expect you to support your assertions. Can't ask the impossible." -roscoepap-

You ask for the impossible, - endless supporting 'cites', while you nitpick & beg the question.

Read the constitution.

[Roscoe]

You ask for the impossible,

That's not true, I recall you posting a court cite once. Of course, you misattributed a line from a dissent as the decision and were immediately caught, but at least you tried.

[ApesForEvolution]

I'm sorry, but I have only met a few cops that I thought were decent men with half a brain. If you're too bright, you can't be a cop...

[Havoc]

Actually I've addressed the point, you just can't seem to think for yourself to put the two issues together as discussed. Cigarettes Are addictive; but, don't make debilitate people after they've had two hits off of one.
Alcohol debilatates after greater consumption, but is not addictive. If they were combined into one thing with all the properties of both, then I'd say you have a point. You don't. But it sounds good for the propaganda aspects. Your problem is you're preaching relativism to a crowd that rejects it. Preach it to the French. They'll love you. They loved Hitler when he came to town, and they loved the allies when they came to liberate France. Now they Hate the allies and love socialism. But moralistically they're some of the lowest forms of life on the planet. That's what relativism does for you. Preach it elsewhere. And stop trying to snow us.

And btw, no I'm not testy this morning. I'm a big boy.
And I've debated far more obnoxious than you.

[John Lenin]

Crime doesn't pay.

[tpaine]

When arguing points with reasonable people it is customary to support opinion with cites from other sources, etc.
You are totally unreasonable on the subject, & seem to think 'debate' is an endless series of cites/countercites.

You're a demented nitpicker, unable to argue constitutional principle, because you have no basic principles of your own.

[Roscoe]

it is customary to support opinion with cites from other sources

You don't support your opinions, you beg questions.

[tacticalogic]

Your falsehoods are tired and meritless.

What falsehood? That you can't make your case without relying on post-FDR arguments? You just tried to do it again.

[tpaine]

You are begging the question by claiming I'm begging. - The neverending roscoe-ite ploy.
Whatta twit.

[Roscoe]

post-FDR arguments

"The subject to which the power is next applied is to commerce among the several states. The word among means intermingled with. A thing which is among others is intermingled with them. Commerce among the states cannot stop at the external boundary line of each state, but may be introduced into the interior. It is not intended to say that these words comprehend that commerce which is completely internal, which is carried on between man and man in a state, or between different parts of the same state, and which does not extend to or affect other states. Such a power would be inconvenient and is certainly unnecessary. Comprehensive as the word among is, it may very properly be restricted to that commerce which concerns more states than one."
-- Gibbons v. Ogden (1824)

Franklin D. Roosevelt was born on January 30, 1882