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Twenty-three year old man shot dead by police in a marijuana raid
Dayton Daily News ^ | 10/01/02 | Cathy Mong

Posted on 10/01/2002 7:16:59 AM PDT by Phantom Lord

Dozens protest Preble County police shooting

Slain man’s roommates say he was unarmed

EATON | Preble County law-enforcement officials declined to talk publicly Monday as they turned information about Friday's fatal shooting by a police officer of a 23-year-old man over to detectives from the Montgomery County Sheriff's Office.

Montgomery County investigators, called in by Preble County Sheriff Tom Hayes, also said they would not talk about their review of the shooting by a member of a Preble County's emergency services group — officers from a number of police departments who are trained to handle drownings and hostage and other situations.

However, it was anything but quiet outside the Preble County Courthouse, where dozens of friends and relatives picketed and said that police were covering up what happened to Clayton Jacob Helriggle, 23, of 1282 Ohio 503 South.

The protesters disputed police claims that Helriggle had a gun when he descended a stairwell and was shot by a Lewisburg police officer, whose identity has not been released. Friends and relatives on Monday carried blue plastic cups similar to the one they said Helriggle had in his hand Friday night.

Among the protesters were four of Helriggle's roommates, three of whom said they were inside the brick farmhouse when police stormed the house to serve a warrant to search for narcotics.

Maj. Wayne Simpson of the Preble County Sheriff's Office declined to discuss information about what happened Friday night and said a report on the shooting of the Preble County man had not been completed. Preble County Prosecutor Rebecca Ferguson said she sealed the search warrant after the shooting, and had no comment regarding the investigation.

"They're a professional group of officers, that's what their job is, and I'm not going to second-guess them. Whatever (Montgomery County officials) come up with, they come up with," Ferguson said.

Friends called Helriggle "peaceful and nonviolent," but police said the 1997 Twin Valley South High School graduate held a 9 mm handgun, not a blue cup, in his right hand when he descended the dimly lighted stairs. Roommates said Helriggle owned a 9 mm gun, but that it was upstairs when police entered their house.

"It's like we were armed, hardened criminals waiting inside to take them on," said Wes Bradley, 26, who lived in the bottom of the six-bedroom farmhouse with his girlfriend, 22-year-old Tasha Webster.

Bradley said he and Webster were near the kitchen next to the stairs, when officers "broke through the back door with battering rams and started throwing in flash grenades three at a time, to blind us."

The officers wore full body armor and carried shields, he said.

Another roommate, Ian Albert, said he had returned home from the grocery store with Chris Elmore, 24, who remained outside while Albert ran into the house.

"We saw at least two paddy wagon-type vehicles, like a SWAT bus," Elmore said. "About 30 officers stormed out of the woods" surrounding the farmhouse. "They'd cut the barbed wire, and you could see a staging area, like where 25 to 30 uniformed cops had been lying down and slithered along the grass."

Officers ordered Elmore to get on the ground, and he said he heard three pops, which he said could have been the flash grenades and gunshot.

"I yelled 'Nobody's armed,' and they told me, 'Shut up, shut up.' ”

Elmore described the action "like a movie, in slow motion."

Inside, Albert said, the police threw him against the staircase, "with my head on the second step up. I wanted to yell at Clay, but I looked up and saw him, rounding the stairway, and he had this look on his face, like, 'What's going on?' and the cops yelled, 'Get down' and then 'boom.' ”

Albert, who completed four months of Navy Seal training, said he reached up for Helriggle, "and I tried to apply pressure," he said, placing his left palm on his right chest, where Helriggle was struck by the gunshot.

"He died in my arms," he said. "It took about two minutes."

Albert said he was placed in a sheriff's car, and Helriggle's parents arrived.

"They saw me, drenched in Clay's blood, and they ask me, 'Is he all right?' and I just shook my head. The cops are smoking and joking, high-fiving each other. Wow, I think, they took down a farm of unarmed hippies.

"If they would have come to the door and said, 'Give us your dope, hippies,' we'd have gotten about a $100 ticket."

Police said they confiscated a small amount of marijuana, pills, drug paraphernalia and quantities of packaging items used in the distribution of marijuana.

The four roommates said they smoke marijuana from time to time and that they had marijuana pipes in the house. Bradley said he had a prescription for Fiorocet, a codeinelike painkiller, for a bad knee. They said the packaging police referred to was a box of plastic sandwich bags.

Webster said there was nothing in the house "that a good divorce lawyer couldn't have gotten us out on a misdemeanor," and said an old shotgun and a .22-caliber rifle found there were used for hunting.

"We target-practiced outside all the time, shot at bales of hay, jugs, that sort of thing," Webster said.

Bradley and Webster said Helriggle took a nap around 5 p.m. and had made plans to meet his girlfriend later.

"I'm not sure if he woke up from the bashing on the door or what," Bradley said.

All four said they were not read their rights or told what charges were filed against them. They were released from the Preble County Jail around 1:30 a.m. Saturday. No criminal charges have been filed.

Nancy Fahrenholz, the daughter of Everett "Bill" Fahrenholz, an attorney and former country prosecutor, hugged Bradley on Monday at the courthouse. Helriggle and five roommates rented the house from the Fahrenholzes.

"I'm so sorry," said Fahrenholz, a Rhode Island resident in the area to finish up the estate of her father, Bill Fahrenholz, who died a month ago.

"(Dad) would have been furious at this," she said. "We're all very distressed."

She said Helriggle "was a really nice guy," and that her family was pleased with the five young people's work on rehabilitating the farmhouse.

Helriggle's 77-year-old grandfather, Donald, a Miamisburg resident and Ohio Bell retiree, said his grandson rented the farmhouse "so they could play their instruments, listen to their music and drink a little beer. . . . They just wanted to be doing what 23-year-olds do."


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To: Roscoe
Drawing a false equivalence between illicit drugs and the right to keep and bear arms is

... what HG has explicitly stated he is not doing, you silly little man.

221 posted on 10/01/2002 1:30:21 PM PDT by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
"What difference does that make? Guns, drugs, spotted owls, freon - it's all 'commerce.'" -- taticalogic

HG jumped in to defend the statement above.

222 posted on 10/01/2002 1:34:05 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Billions of dollars worth of drug contraband flow across our state and national borders.

A problem perpetuated by the feds themselves, but arguably a problem the feds are authorized to deal with.

Drawing a false equivalence between illicit drugs and the right to keep and bear arms is one of the most hoary cliches of libertarianism and its fellow travelers.

Attempting to fight a battle not raised in the first place is a hoary tactic of a Drug Warrior growing tired of thinking rationally in real time. Again, I am not a Libertarian or one of its "fellow travelers."

223 posted on 10/01/2002 1:34:43 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Attempting to fight a battle not raised in the first place

"What difference does that make? Guns, drugs, spotted owls, freon - it's all 'commerce.'" -- tacticalogic

Again, I am not a Libertarian or one of its "fellow travelers."

I disagree.

224 posted on 10/01/2002 1:37:47 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
"Drawing a false equivalence between illicit drugs and the right to keep and bear arms is one of the most hoary cliches -- "


Roscoe, you lie. The freedom to possess property of any type is not a "hoary cliche".
- It is specified in our constitution.
225 posted on 10/01/2002 1:45:45 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: A2J
However, they DO give government the authority to punish "evil doers"

Then why aren't those that promote executing people for SUSPECTED drug use "punished"? That IS what I call evil...

Understand that it is very unfortunate that a young man was killed, but had he been doing what is right, i.e., obeying the law and staying away from known drug hangouts, he would still be alive today.

Tell that to the Boston minister who died during a mistaken drug raid on his apartment..

Minister dies as cops raid wrong apartment

226 posted on 10/01/2002 1:46:01 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: Roscoe
HG jumped in to defend the statement above.

No, he jumped in to disagree with your apparent contention that Lopez rules out any possibility of Congress banning guns via the Commerce Clause. Which, of course, it does not.

227 posted on 10/01/2002 1:52:38 PM PDT by MrLeRoy
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To: Roscoe

"Legal restrictions on marijuana and other illicit drugs exist at the federal level and in all fifty states."


I made a rebuttal to that same idiotic statment just above. - You were unable to counter.
Your repetitions have become a joke roscoe. You're making a fool of yourself.
228 posted on 10/01/2002 1:54:19 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Roscoe
"What difference does that make? Guns, drugs, spotted owls, freon - it's all 'commerce.'" -- tacticalogic

Right: commerce, not guns. The whole authority of the CSA is predicated on a New Deal interpretation of what constitutes interstate commerce---NOTHING ELSE. For the last time, I am not advocating in any way that drugs shouldn't be illegal because guns are or aren't: I'm fumbling because I don't even know how to make such a ridiculous argument.

Read the preamble to the CSA---you're fond of posting it so I'm sure you're very familiar with it. Note the excess it goes to in order to make the argument that drugs always affect commerce in some way. In Lopez the Court claimed a single gun cannot, in any way, affect interstate commerce---in fact the very thought of it was ridiculous. So therefore they decided quite rightly that the federal government was over-reaching when it passed the Gun Free School Zone laws because it relied upon the Commerce Clause for its authority. Many of us here find it ironic and hypocritical that the Court---Supreme or Circuit or whathaveyou---can claim with a straight face that a single marijuana plant could affect the national economy directly in such a grave manner that it needs to be regulated by the Federal government in order to prevent the Union from crumbling into disrepair.

Again, I am not a Libertarian or one of its "fellow travelers." I disagree.

Knock your socks off. It makes no difference to me.

229 posted on 10/01/2002 1:54:49 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
The whole authority of the CSA is predicated on a New Deal interpretation of what constitutes interstate commerce---NOTHING ELSE.

False.

230 posted on 10/01/2002 2:04:56 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: tpaine
The freedom to possess property of any type is not a "hoary cliche".

Contraband isn't property.

- It is specified in our constitution.

False.

231 posted on 10/01/2002 2:06:39 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
'Contraband isn't property."

And tyrannicide isn't murder.
232 posted on 10/01/2002 2:10:10 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
And tyrannicide isn't murder.

John Wilkes Boothe's accomplices were hanged.

233 posted on 10/01/2002 2:11:20 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Phantom Lord
One at a time! :!()
234 posted on 10/01/2002 2:15:49 PM PDT by verity
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To: Roscoe
More repetitive nonsense.

Your mantra about contraband has been well refuted, many times. And your refusal to acknowledge the plain words of the constitution is another stock joke on FR.

Get some new lines roscoe. Your old lies are worn out.
235 posted on 10/01/2002 2:19:06 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
The solution to the drugs problem:

Twenty-three year old man shot dead by police in a marijuana raid

236 posted on 10/01/2002 2:24:48 PM PDT by Logic_3
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To: tpaine
contraband has been well refuted, many times.

False. Not even once.

237 posted on 10/01/2002 2:26:59 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Abraham Lincoln wasn't a tyrant, you prevaricating troller.
238 posted on 10/01/2002 2:30:55 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
Booth shrieked, "Sic semper tyrannis!" His co-conspirators were hanged for murder.
239 posted on 10/01/2002 2:34:53 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
I say refuted. - Roscoe says false. -I say refuted. - Roscoe says false. -I say refuted. - Roscoe says false. -I say refuted. - Roscoe says false. -I say refuted. - Roscoe says false. -I say refuted. - Roscoe says false. -I say refuted. - Roscoe says false. -I say refuted. - Roscoe says false. -I say refuted. - Roscoe says false. -I say refuted. - Roscoe says false. -I say refuted. - Roscoe says false.

- And so it goes in roscoe-lands version of ~debate~.
240 posted on 10/01/2002 2:42:08 PM PDT by tpaine
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