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Posted on 09/30/2002 7:44:20 AM PDT by MotleyGirl70
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To: Dead Dog
You keep trying to stray away from the original point. What the hell is wrong with MG telling this punk to stuff his 60's piece BS?In this case, it boils down to a simple matter of good manners. The original poster took it upon herself to begin a confrontation, and came off like a total ass, first by using leading questions, then by apparantly teeing off on the kids without being provoked.
So they gave historically ignorant replies. So what? Sounds like the pissant was looking for a fight to begin with.
To: dubyagee
We probably agree on far more than not, when you strip off all the labels, and start talking about the underlying philosophy.
Regards.
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posted on
09/30/2002 1:34:22 PM PDT
by
OWK
To: Pahuanui
2002-09-19Welcome to the Free Repunlic!
And yet you're saying that anyone who prefers an attitude of peace is an unwitting communist dupe of the KGB.
Anyone who believes the 1960's peace movements was about peace, or that the Greens are about the environment, is a unwitting communist dupe of the KGB.
Please explain what an "attitude of peace" is. I personally I am all for universal harmony with a populist backbeat a guy can dance to.
To: Dead Dog
speaking of an "attitude of peace", the band anti-flag made the mistake of touring with the dropkick murphys, a band with working-class patriotic views as well as a large skinhead following.
there was nothing peaceful about the show i attended, as the members of antiflag can attest to.
they made it through about three songs...
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posted on
09/30/2002 1:43:31 PM PDT
by
cooperj
To: Pahuanui
Actually, the little ingrate decided to put a cool, rebellious, anti-American, Anti-social patch on his jacket to pi$$ people off. He has know idea what he is standing up for, and she did the right thing and let him know. I don't see how she overreacted to 9-11 by this, this should have been her reaction with or without 9-11.
She did not start the confrontation, the kid did. The kid has his freedom of speech, he used it, and she has the right to answer back. Her profanity is, IMO, appropriate to the emotions the kid did need to hear. We in the right, have been far too silent for too long, and if 9-11 has changed this then so be it. The 9-11 event should never have been necessary for motivation.
To: cooperj
As Cartman would say "Sweet!"
To: Dead Dog
2002-09-19 Welcome to the Free Repunlic! Ah yes... the registration date challenge.
The last refuge of an FR dullard.
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posted on
09/30/2002 1:50:36 PM PDT
by
OWK
To: OWK
"free men" can also blow holes in heads of people just because they want to.
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posted on
09/30/2002 1:53:15 PM PDT
by
MEGoody
To: MEGoody
Uhhhh.... OK.
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posted on
09/30/2002 1:54:44 PM PDT
by
OWK
To: ThomasJefferson
I'm curious - which of your constitutional rights have been suspended? I'm not at all clear on what you are getting at.
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posted on
09/30/2002 1:55:34 PM PDT
by
MEGoody
To: Dead Dog
Actually, the little ingrate decided to put a cool, rebellious, anti-American, Anti-social patch on his jacket to pi$$ people off.Obviously not, based on the original poster having to inquire what the patch was. It wasn't an invitation; she took it upon herself to find out.
He has know idea what he is standing up for, and she did the right thing and let him know. I don't see how she overreacted to 9-11 by this, this should have been her reaction with or without 9-11.
It has nothing to do w/911, it has everything to do with her histrionics over a non-issue in an inappropriate venue.
She did not start the confrontation, the kid did.
Ted Bundy didn't murder all those women, porn did! He even said so!
The kid has his freedom of speech, he used it, and she has the right to answer back. Her profanity is, IMO, appropriate to the emotions the kid did need to hear.
Again, she came off like a pissy-pants brat, much like she describes the kids. She was on an attitude crusade.
We in the right, have been far too silent for too long, and if 9-11 has changed this then so be it. The 9-11 event should never have been necessary for motivation.
911 is now a turning point in our history. It does not, however, constitute a license to act like an asshole to strangers in public establishments, nor did it before 911.
Some of us believe in manners as well as the Consitution, and it is likely (although I think this entire account is a complete fabrication) that in other circumstances she might have had to have eaten her McMeal with broken teeth.
To: tpaine
I agree, this is a critical time for eternal vigilance. However, I see more leftist obstructionism by the DNC than I do wanton power grabbing by the right. We are at war, and IMO, our enemy is out to destroy us.
I also fall in behind of what MG did, punk @$$ kids will remain punks until they are challenged. The kid wanted to make a statement and she gave him valuable feedback. She probably is the best thing that happened to him all day. At least she paid more attention to him then his parents have.
To: Dead Dog
dang straight man, I'm so tired of having people bash my country, and then have a bunch of self-proclaimed freedom seekers tell me it's wrong for me to be mad at them. It's unbelievable. Actually what's unbelievable is that someone would actually stand up for them.
And no, I'm not for some speach law making it illegal to bash on the United States. But all you making excuses for these kids I ask you one question. In your heart of hearts, and the depths of your soul, how do you feel when some waco burns the American flag, or gets on national television and tells us how terrible we are. If seeing/hearing about these things doesn't make your blood absolutely boil, why then we're definately not on the same page. And I'd bet your not on the same page as Thomas Jefferson (the REAL one) either. Just my 2 cents (after taxes).
To: ThomasJefferson
"There are those who defend their 'right' to blow up the innocent. No such right exists, hence the difference."
Who says no such right exists?
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posted on
09/30/2002 1:59:53 PM PDT
by
MEGoody
To: OWK
OWK: From a state full of Leftists. Like other brave Americans from the Left and the Right, you wore the uniform in defense of our country. But it's the Left that turns its back on the military the minute the shooting stops. It's the Left that pulls the funding from the military to spend on addictive social engineering programs and even tries to social engineer that same military you served in so bravely.
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posted on
09/30/2002 2:00:39 PM PDT
by
Consort
To: OWK
I'm sure are aware this kind of thing happens on occasion - the man who owns the gun legally decides to turn on someone he's ticked off at. Your response sounds as though you've never heard of such a thing.
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posted on
09/30/2002 2:04:23 PM PDT
by
MEGoody
To: walkingdead
But all you making excuses for these kids I ask you one question. In your heart of hearts, and the depths of your soul, how do you feel when some waco burns the American flag, or gets on national television and tells us how terrible we are.As an adult and a vet, I see people, regardless of intelligence, exercising their right to free speech. Histrionic emotional reactions have no place in either understanding or protecting the Constitution. Getting angry at someone else's opinion is not logical.
If seeing/hearing about these things doesn't make your blood absolutely boil, why then we're definately not on the same page.
I know what I fought and served for, and it wasn't the flag, but rather what it stands for. Here's a little quote from Mark Twain that ought to clear things right up:
"You see my kind of loyalty was loyalty to one's country, not to its to its institutions or its office-holders. The country is the real thing, the substantial thing, the eternal thing; it is the thing to watch over, and care for, and be loyal to; institutions are extraneous, they are its mere clothing, and clothing can wear out, become ragged, cease to be comfortable, cease to protect the body from winter, disease, and death. To be loyal to rags, to shout for rags, to worship rags, to die for rags -- that is a loyalty of unreason, it is pure animal; it belongs to monarchy, was invented by monarchy; let monarchy keep it."
To: Pahuanui
"she might have had to have eaten her McMeal with broken teeth."
I'll tell you what stud. If ever, and I mean ever, I see any man punch a lady in the mouth, I'll send him to the hospital personally.
Now, about this youngster not bringing it on himself. We've all found out that this "anti-flag" is a band right? So when the lady asked him about it, why didn't he just say it was a band? Why did he have to go off about Americans being wrong on WWI, WWII, Vietnam, ect.? Don't you think he provoked a rebuttal with his answer alone?
Now, whether she should have cussed or not is of her own accord. I probably would have, but that's just me. Freedom of speech goes beyond being able to bash this great nation. It allows cussing too.
To: MEGoody
- the man who owns the gun legally decides to turn on someone he's ticked off at. And so.....??
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posted on
09/30/2002 2:07:41 PM PDT
by
OWK
To: Pahuanui
Nice quote, but wasn't it Reagan who said (and I'm going from memory so stick with me) that this country is and always will be based on values. Policies, and politics come and go with the wind, but values, base line values always stay the same.
And as far as I'm concerned, the one piece of cloth that symbolizes our countries values is the American flag. So yes, when someone burns it, I don't see a great appreciation of freedom, I see it as saying that the American values are crap. And I don't like it one bit.
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