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Schröder's anti-war rhetoric hits German exports to America (HOLD MEIN BIER, THE CONSEQUENCES)
The Daily Telegraph ^ | September 29, 2002 | Tony Paterson and Charles Laurence

Posted on 09/28/2002 10:06:38 PM PDT by MadIvan

German exports to America are being affected by consumer anger over Chancellor Gerhard Schröder's vehement opposition to US policy on Iraq, business leaders admitted last week.

Ludolf von Wartenberg, the director of the German Federation of Industry, said that German firms in America already faced the first signs of a boycott following weeks of anti-war rhetoric during the run-up to last weekend's election.

Mr von Wartenburg said that public contracts for German firms in America had already been affected.

Projects involving German building companies and deals over the supply of German medical equipment to the US had been hit. "There have been the first signals and the first cancellations," he said.

"If the political establishment in the United States views Germany as an unreliable partner, then this will affect the attitude of American business towards its German counterpart," he added.

Mr von Wartenberg refused to name specific firms which were being hit. A spokesman said that would merely exacerbate an already difficult situation.

In America people have been calling the German consulate in New York, threatening to start their own economic boycott.

"We have had some calls from individual Americans threatening to sell their BMWs or tear out their German-made fitted kitchens. We had one wine importer who called us to say that he would no longer stock German Riesling wine," Werner Schmidt, a spokesman for the consulate said.

Officials in the New York offices of Germany's corporate giants - Siemens, Hoescht and Deutsche Bank - were officially maintaining a wall of silence over the international spat.

Privately, however, they admitted to fearing that bad blood between Washington and Berlin could prove the catalyst to triggering a collapse of exports and economic deflation.

A Deutsche Bank executive said: "We do take the danger seriously. We depend on high-value exports, and political difficulties can only deepen the dangers presented by the recession both here and in Europe."

At Siemens, the electronics giant, there were reports of contracts to supply medical equipment being jeopardised by political pressure from Washington.

Behind the scenes, the company's New York staff were pointing out that it is one thing to sell telephone systems to small, independently-minded entrepreneurs, but quite another to sign multi-million dollar contracts with hospital groups for the organisation's medical screening equipment.

"It is very easy for Washington to put pressure on the health industry, which is highly dependent on the political climate in America. We have good reason to be worried," said one executive.

Germany is heavily reliant on exports to the United States. Last year Germany exported goods worth £44 billion to America, which accounted for 10.6 per cent of the country's total foreign exports.

Fears of a boycott of German goods were echoed by Hans-Jurgen Muller, the spokesman for Germany's Foreign Trade Association.

"We are worried about the deteriorating political relationship with Washington. We had warned about the consequences of the Schröder government's anti-Iraq policy before the election," he said.

"German firms now face the prospect of being simply cut out of deals in America. The government may be making efforts to repair the damage but these are not nearly intensive enough," he added.

Ludwig Braun, president of Germany's chamber of commerce association appealed to the Schröder government to repair the damage as quickly as possible.

"Otherwise we will have to reckon with a creeping deterioration of our commercial relationship. Fewer cars of certain makes will be bought," he added, in a reference to the German car giants Mercedes, BMW and Volkswagen.

In Atlanta, Georgia, a centre for German businesses - Mercedes and BMW included - which have taken advantage of loose labour laws in the American South to set up factories and import centres, the consul general, Heinrich-Peter Rothmann, said that both countries would soon get over the bruises of "election rhetoric".

If differences over Iraq hurt German trade, there was some speculation in New York on whether British marques might become new symbols of loyalty and see rising sales.

At a Manhattan showroom for Jaguars, the sales manager Mr John Kaufman said that he wanted to avoid "either side of the argument", when asked if there would be any economic fall-out. But added: "I hope so."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: duh; fischer; germany; iraq; oops; schroeder
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Also, buy an MG. ;)

The Germans have behaved so very stupidly - what the bloody hell did they expect after behaving so badly towards the Americans and President Bush? Truly this whole election and the handling of Iraq, has been a "Hold Mein Bier" moment for these fools. Such a case of collective stupidity has rarely been seen.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 09/28/2002 10:06:38 PM PDT by MadIvan
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2 posted on 09/28/2002 10:07:09 PM PDT by Mo1
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3 posted on 09/28/2002 10:07:13 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan

BOYCOTT GERMANY - Nuclear Arm supplier to the Axis of Evil

4 posted on 09/28/2002 10:09:06 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: MadIvan
Ivan, I've already done my part. British and US beer and ales only. No thought to a BMW in this household and oh yeah, if it's German, and someone asks me about it, I just say "slap a swastika on it".
5 posted on 09/28/2002 10:10:21 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
Ivan, I've already done my part. British and US beer and ales only. No thought to a BMW in this household and oh yeah, if it's German, and someone asks me about it, I just say "slap a swastika on it".

The Germans simply don't understand - by behaving so badly they not only insulted George W. Bush, they insulted the United States of America as a whole. I am not surprised that people are going out of their way not to buy German goods.

Gerhard is presiding over a crumbling kingdom. Hopefully the electorate will wake up shortly. But I doubt it.

Regards, Ivan

6 posted on 09/28/2002 10:14:10 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
We were shopping Beemers last week and finally my spouse said 'you know, they're nice, but they're not that nice'. God bless women with conservative bearings.
We are no longer going to support Socialist/Greens (Communists by any other name is STILL a commie watermelon - pink on the inside, green on the outside).
The boycott is officially on in our house - and as a close descendant of a Jewish Germanian, there are some creature comforts we will gladly do without from the old country. The anti-semitic, anti-American roots still run way too deep among the spineless mainstream in Germany.
"You're either with us or against us"
7 posted on 09/28/2002 10:19:45 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution
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To: MadIvan
The German people have no idea and seem to have forgotten the wrath that we dealt them for creating the problems in 39 and then repeating the same kind of nonsensical propaganda again now. We do listen. Even though at times the US and British public is viewed as a bunch of communist loons like the protesters your nation and ours experienced, when you attack our national identity and soul, it has the habit of bringing our peoples together. The Germans think this is EU doublespeak and won't hurt them. When their car dealerships start going bankrupt and cutting orders back in the U.S., then they will think twice about electing leaders with big mouths. They made that mistake in 34, and they have done it again.
8 posted on 09/28/2002 10:20:07 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: MadIvan
Re #1

German "Gruens" will soon live in their dreamland, "Wahabi Wald", devoid of modern techonogy because they do not have much money. But that was what they were after. So they should not complain.

9 posted on 09/28/2002 10:22:05 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
The German people have no idea and seem to have forgotten the wrath that we dealt them for creating the problems in 39 and then repeating the same kind of nonsensical propaganda again now. We do listen. Even though at times the US and British public is viewed as a bunch of communist loons like the protesters your nation and ours experienced, when you attack our national identity and soul, it has the habit of bringing our peoples together. The Germans think this is EU doublespeak and won't hurt them. When their car dealerships start going bankrupt and cutting orders back in the U.S., then they will think twice about electing leaders with big mouths. They made that mistake in 34, and they have done it again.

Germany's bread and butter is precision engineering and manufacturing. However they are not alone in making these type of products. I certainly am going to go out of my way to prevent getting it - for example, I'm getting an electric kettle in the near future. My choice is between one by Philips of the Netherlands or Siemens of Germany. I'll take the Dutch one.

Regards, Ivan

10 posted on 09/28/2002 10:24:23 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
What are the German companies?

I had no idea Siemens was German...we were going to purchase a new cordless phone, possibly theirs.

German companies I can think of:

Mini-Cooper (car)
BMW
Krups
Siemens
Mercedes Benz

Please add to the list.
11 posted on 09/28/2002 10:25:05 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: Diogenesis

12 posted on 09/28/2002 10:27:54 PM PDT by eabinga
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To: MadIvan
Hey Ivan you forgot one product
HOW ABOUT BEER

German beer sucks okay you could get buzz off it

Trust me if you going get buzz try Tequilla or Jack Daniels or Vodka

Does Germany realize that they being foolish here

This is same country that start two wars in 20 century

Invaded FRANCE

HELLO

We goof on France
13 posted on 09/28/2002 10:29:23 PM PDT by SevenofNine
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To: SevenofNine
"We goof on France"

Yes, but that's only because the French suck a lot worse than the Germans. The Germans just start wars and lose them. The French just lose wars before they start.
14 posted on 09/28/2002 10:32:10 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: Diogenesis
"The Turkish Government has announced plans to build 10 nuclear reactors by 2020. The first reactor is planned to be built at Akkuyu Bay on the southeast Mediterranean coast, and is scheduled to start operation in 2005. The contract for the building of this reactor is expected to be awarded in the second half of 1998.

Three international consortia are bidding for the contract. They are led by Atomic Energy of Canada, Limited; Westinghouse of the United States; and Nuclear Power International, a consortium led by Siemens of Germany and Framatome of of France. All of the consortia must involve Turkish firms in the bid, and all are required to provide 100% of the financing for the project."

Turkey is a member of NATO. Germany has 19 nuke plants.

http://list.ankara.edu.tr/lists/ank-club/1998/TEMMUZ-AGUSTOS-EYLUL/0037.html

yitbos

15 posted on 09/28/2002 10:33:06 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: grlfrnd
Daimler Chrysler, Rools Royce, Bentley. These have all been bought up by Mercedes Benz, BMW, and Volkswagen.
16 posted on 09/28/2002 10:33:11 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: grlfrnd
Bosch
Volkswagen
Braun
SAP

Regards, Ivan
17 posted on 09/28/2002 10:33:33 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: SevenofNine
HOW ABOUT BEER

Buy Czech beer. It's brewed to similar standards to German and costs less.

Regards, Ivan

18 posted on 09/28/2002 10:34:36 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
The time has come for all good men to come to the aid of our country.

Stop drinking German Beer!
Ops4 God Bless America!
19 posted on 09/28/2002 10:34:48 PM PDT by OPS4
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To: grlfrnd
Volkswagen
Porsche
Audi
Grundig

And if you want to boycott the French also...toss in
Thompson (who just happens to manufacture all of the old RCA brand electronics in Mexico and China and ships them into the USA with the RCA label).

Oh, and yes, Chrysler/Plymouth/Jeep/Dodge are now German subsidiaries under the Mercedes label. Might as well hit the dirty Nazis where they listen. In the wallet. If that doesn't work, we'll just go back and occupy them for another 10 years.
20 posted on 09/28/2002 10:35:24 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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