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I want somebody to justify to me why stem cell research is being stymied by the Bush administration. Go ahead justify it and then imagine telling this courageous woman your rationalization. Mike Deaver's comment at the end is dead on and for those of you who are caretakers my heart goes out to you.

Rational discussion encouraged, puerile nonsense ignored, fire away.

1 posted on 09/28/2002 4:53:14 PM PDT by SBeck
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To: SBeck
I want somebody to justify to me why stem cell research is being stymied by the Bush administration.

George W. Bush believes, as do I, that embryos are human beings.

Go ahead justify it and then imagine telling this courageous woman your rationalization. Mike Deaver's comment at the end is dead on and for those of you who are caretakers my heart goes out to you.

If harvesting the brains from living, but terminal, human beings could cure Alzheimer's, would you favor it?

Life is not fair, and nobody is going to cheat death.

2 posted on 09/28/2002 4:59:09 PM PDT by sinkspur
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We shouldn't dice some people to improve quality of life for others. When Jonathan Swift suggested a similar measure, he was writing satire.
3 posted on 09/28/2002 5:24:12 PM PDT by Oberon
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However many millions may argue that the destruction of human embryos is moral, will never make it so.
4 posted on 09/28/2002 5:26:14 PM PDT by onedoug
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Anybody with a small tiny of Alzheimers knows that stem cells will never offer an Alzheimer's patient any hope of recovery. My mom has Alzheimers. Someday a cure or prevention will be found, and it absolutely will have nothing to do with stem cells.

The press has been nearly silent about the horrifying results of many stem cell experiments. Bad science.

5 posted on 09/28/2002 5:28:07 PM PDT by aimhigh
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My answer is pretty simple:

Dont fight God. You will lose.
7 posted on 09/28/2002 5:30:49 PM PDT by smith288
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I want somebody to justify to me why stem cell research is being stymied by the Bush administration.

If we say that embryos are 'nonviable' and therefore have no right to life, how do we avoid saying that people with Alzheimer's are viable and still have a right to life?

Embryos have the potential to develop into healthy, productive human beings with long life spans. Alzheimer's victims do not have this potential, regardless of the legal status of stem cell research.

Perhaps we should be talking about performing medical research on Alzheimer's victims, to study how we might improve the lives of embryos.

Does that sound cruel? Well, it is equally cruel to sacrifice the babies for the old people. And our society is the first society in human history to conceive of doing just that. We've come a long way from the decks of the Titanic, where millionaires allowed children from steerage to take their places on the lifeboats.

10 posted on 09/28/2002 5:34:28 PM PDT by 537 Votes
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First of all, there is absolutely no evidence that it would work. Let's not be naive, the NY Times is supporting this because they love abortion. And they are using Nancy Reagan's name to revive the issue bacause they hope to split conservatives.

Second, it's immoral to kill one person to save another. Even if it did work. It's basic Nazi medicine.

Next thing we'll be told that unborn babies would make nice lamp shades, and it's a pity to let them go to waste.
11 posted on 09/28/2002 5:35:27 PM PDT by Cicero
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Innocent human life is either sacred or it isn't. The ends don't justify the means. Once we start selecting special classes of person who can be used for experiments for the benefit of the rest, no one is really safe.

There was a fantastic article about this issue last year that changed my mind completely, but The Spectator site seems to be down at the moment. I'll post it here when it is restored.




12 posted on 09/28/2002 5:46:13 PM PDT by Tomalak
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Thanks for posting this. I'm with you.

Who knows if stem cells, adult, cord, embryonic will be an answer for Alzheimer's or anything else. That is why one does research, to find out. Thankfully, the research will continue, as it should, with or without the blessing of Bush or the feds.
13 posted on 09/28/2002 5:48:44 PM PDT by RJCogburn
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I want somebody to justify to me why stem cell research is being stymied by the Bush administration.

I am unaware of the administration attempting to obstruct use of placental/umbilical or adult-derived stem cells; while the latter don't seem as promising yet, from what I understand the former have enormous potential and are available in sufficient quantities to actually do some good.

Beyond the moral difficulties of harvesting stem cells from embryos which were conceived for exactly that purpose [if any therapies based on such cells take off, that's exactly what would happen] there are serious questions about the 'reliability' of such cells. Stem cells taken from the placenta/umbilical cord of a healthy baby can be considered to be pretty well "genetically pre-screened"; if the baby is apparently healthy, there can't be anything too much wrong with it genetically. On the other hand, a significant portion of embryos have very serious genetic defects which would prevent them from developing into a healthy baby. Trying to use stem cells from such an embryo may have disastrous consequences.

15 posted on 09/28/2002 6:06:47 PM PDT by supercat
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Destroying embreyos violates the fundamental right to life.
17 posted on 09/28/2002 6:23:06 PM PDT by The FRugitive
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