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To: mhking; Free the USA; DTA; Siobhan; Goetz_von_Berlichingen; TomSmedley; litehaus; ...
From what I understand the bleak economic picture in Turkey lately has emboldened Christian missionaries, who have had some some success in converting a few in exchange for a few pounds of butter, similar to the conversions which led to the Catholic Armenians and Lebanese (vs. Orthodox) in that area.

Such conversions lead to social unrest, mostly only domestically, but also on a communal level. We do not allow agressive tactics by Iran or Saudi Arabia (getting our population to wear the burka or grow beards for $50 per month), neither will we allow it by a "Protestant Christian" pastor who really has no congregation.

We would like to avoid intercommunal strife, so if cutting one throat saves many others, then so be it.

Religious programs are allowed on the airwaves, so long as they are not threatening to the overall peace.

The events that took place in 1955 against the Greek population were civil retribution against the massacre of Turkish civilians on Cyprus at that time. Others had left right after the Turkish War of Independence which followed WW1 in population exchanges of Greeks for Turks, which were part of a treaty.

Pay no attention to this Destro and Eleni121, who are hell bent on turning American popular opinion against Turkey.

Turkey is an ally of the USA, the pilots of which flew security missions over US soil following 9/11. Turkey has a long histor of religious tolerance (just ask the Jews), but will not tolerate the politicization of religion. If some subversives were Christians, then our actions against them cannot be seen as anti-Christian, just as our actions against those who were Muslim cannot be seen as anti-Muslim -- and there have been many.

There are pleny of Chruches in communities where Christian congregations actually exist. My mother is Christian, so I know that to be a fact. And I went to a Catholic high school in Istanbul, which is right next to a Catholic hospital. They've been there for over a century.

So to portray Turkey as anti-Christian is a ploy to get you to hate her, so that maybe one day the Greeks can benefit from your hate and realize their dream of a greater Greece.
36 posted on 09/29/2002 9:38:49 AM PDT by a_Turk
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37 posted on 09/29/2002 9:39:14 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: a_Turk
The logic that is used to justify the elimination of "socially provacative" groups or individuals is the same as has been used by every perptrator of genocide in the twentieth century. Why did Stalin need to wipe out the Ukranian farmers? They were disrupting the social order. Why did the Young Turks try to wipe out the Armenians back during WWI? They feared the Armenians would disrupt the social order. It is fearful logic, and any nation who holds to such ideas can never be in agreement with the West and liberty or freedom.

Turkey's tolerance of religion is thin at best, and this was proved when the millet classes began to rise economicly and culturaly- threatening the social order and domination by Turkish Muslims. As long as Jews and Christians and ethnic minorities remained subservient to the state they were fine. But when they began to raise their heads above the fixed social standards, the blade came down. One cannot justify Turkey's treatment of its religious and ethnic minorities under the veil of maintaining the status quo- at least, such arguments should not work with those who believe in freedom.

The same ideals behind the oppression of the teens are still present and- as we can clearly see- active in Turkey. To be fair they are hardly Muslim- but what is the point of trading out from Muslim oppression to secular oppression? Both fail to recognize individual rights. I would hope that the Turkish people will embrace a system of real individual freedom, and not accept a compromise that fosters oppression.

38 posted on 09/29/2002 10:51:47 AM PDT by Cleburne
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To: a_Turk
So to portray Turkey as anti-Christian is a ploy to get you to hate her, so that maybe one day the Greeks can benefit from your hate and realize their dream of a greater Greece.


Yeah, that's it. A greater Greece, not a bad idea. Thanks for the tip.
39 posted on 09/29/2002 2:13:31 PM PDT by RWG
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To: a_Turk
Fact: Muslim Turks both under the Ottoman and kemalist regimes have massacred Christians by the milions destroying and confiscating their properties and their lives - men women and children. They have destroyed their churches both in Turkey and in Cyprus and lets not forget the sorry Balkans - and continue to destroy the pre Turkish civilizations - anything before 800 years ago - anywhere it is expeditious to do so.

The lies you perpetrate on the naive ("plenty of churches" operating in turkey - what a laugh! - just look at Saint Sophia cathedral - a stalinistic/muslim metamorphosis of a revered church into a museum!) who are clueless as to the murderous Turks in history signify either the symptoms of those in denial or simply those of an agent of the turkish mafia muslim state.

63 posted on 10/03/2002 8:31:35 AM PDT by eleni121
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