THE END OF THE CLIMATE DEBATE?

sepp.org ^ | 9/28/02 | Lee C. Gerhard

[Mike Darancette]

Facts will not stop them.

[dfwgator]

Game, set, and match.

[BlueLancer]

Bookmarked for use in arguments with eco-nuts.

[Free the USA]

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list

[prisoner6]

Bumpers for bookmarkers

prisoner6

[Eric in the Ozarks]

And, so long to all those Canadian jobs.

[Sinner6]

Anyone who is really intrested in the actual state of the world should read The Skeptical Environmentalist by Bjorn Lomborg.

[r9etb]

The "humans-bad" response to this has already been articulated by saying that "human activity could be that little nudge that pushes us over the edge...."

However, if it's true that solar output and the Earth's orbit are the predominant factors (how could they not be?), then human activity would at most change the time of onset of major climactic change, and only by a percent or two.

[daviddennis]

Interesting story; I appreciate your bringing this to our attention.

But really, it shouldn't have been that much of a surprise:

The advancing hypothesis is that orbital and solar variability are the most significant drivers of climate, and that greenhouse gases, while important for maintaining the stability of climate and moderating external forcing, are not responsible for most climate variability. This hypothesis encompasses all observed climate change data.

In view of the often repeated fact that an hour's worth of the solar energy hitting our planet could provide us with all the energy we need, this shouldn't surprise anyone. Almost all the energy used on this planet comes from the sun's rays; a puny percentage comes from the burning of fuels; so it's a truly human conceit to think the latter's going to make more than a tiny difference to the temperature of Planet Earth.

Curious, no?

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[jpl]

Facts will not stop them.

You're correct. A giant like Milutin Milankovitch doesn't stand a chance against the political pygmies of modern science.

[tophat9000]

bump

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Speaking of political pygmies of modern science, has anyone figured out Algore's Jessie James remark the other day ?

[Willie Green]

Facts will not stop them.

Thank-you for posting this excellent article.

However, with all the stuff that's ever been published about climate change, I'm still left with one very puzzling question: Just what are the approximate correlation factors???

Are we talking 80% natural fluctuation and 20% man-made????
Or is it 99.44% natural and 0.56% man-made???

[ZULU]

When reason and logic on the one hand, and emotion and propaganda on the other, collide in the atrophied minds of leftwing ideologues, reason and logic never win out, even in the face of overwhelming logic.

Liberalism is living proof that Democracy is a very bad form of government. That's why the Founding Fathers in their wisdom, created a Republic. The Democrats have succeeded in demolishing that Republic and replacing it with a liberal, democratic monstrosity.

[chaosagent]

Wel, I've always thought that since the climate has swung from much hotter to MUCH colder in the last 100,000 years, man doesn't have much to do with it at all.

What, Cro-Magnon man was lighting too many campfires?

[S.O.S121.500]

:"Facts will not stop them.":

Too many big words and complex ideas for dummycraps to understand.

[balrog666]

Or is it 99.44% natural and 0.56% man-made???

Yep. Man-made contributions are within the error limits which makes them effectively zero.

[Billthedrill]

It was capitalism. 100,000 years of capitalism.

[Willie Green]

Man-made contributions are within the error limits which makes them effectively zero.

That's always been my presumption,
yet I've never seen the simple statistics presented...
Neither supporting that presumption, nor refuting it.
Nada. One way or the other.

[Strident]

look for this whole tired global warming stuff to be recycled back around in about 8 years when Solar Sunspot Cycle 24 starts to heat things up again.
Sheeesh