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Testimony of parent whose son committed suicide [1 of 4] after attending the Ark. Gov.'s School
American Family Association of Arkansas ^ | 1992 | Shelvie Cole

Posted on 09/25/2002 11:51:24 AM PDT by Aquinasfan

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I found the comments of an entire Tennessee Governor's School (for teachers) class of 1996. A sample:
"Winding my way through time and space, my senses are tantalized by a place of both intellectual stimulation and constant fun. I shudder in disbelief, but immediately realize the implications of being able to take part in this blissful experience. Namely, in one month, I must leave this place forever and go back to the monotony of everyday life... Of what am I speaking? Surprised that not all know of this utopia, I pause before giving my answer. "The Governor's School for Prospective Teachers," I answer in a daze..." So, when I say classes, I don't mean how to diagram a sentence. Let's pretend that truth does not exist beyond being a meaningless word which humans use to express themselves. Some agree with this statement, others disagree completely, and still another group believes that there is a middle ground to be found in this disscusion. Where do you stand? Would you like to find out? If so, or even if you don't think you'd care, you will almost definitely find yourself enjoying the class by Dr. Whitaker over that "stupid" book you have to read on your summer vacation called Ishmael.

What's Ishmael about? From Amazon.com:

Over several days, the ape, Ishmael, as gruff as his Greek model, drags the man into a new understanding of humanity's place in the world. In a nutshell, Ishmael argues that humanity has evolved two ways of living: There are the ``Leavers,'' or hunter-gatherers (e.g., Bushmen), who live in harmony with the rest of life; and there are the ``Takers'' (our civilization), who arose with the agricultural revolution, aim to conquer the rest of life, and are destroying it in the process.

Knock me over with a feather.

Student #2: "The sessions are wonderful.We discussed everything from educational government funding to adjusting to your multi-cultural classroom."

Student #3: :"From our psychotherapy session on the second night to limboing to "Shake Senora" on the third story balcony to starting a waterfight by drenching Nathan, I can honestly say this has been the best experience of my life... The faculty and staff here have been my parents away from home. I loved our heated discussions so much...I wish to personally thank each and every one of you. Advice to future GSPT students: don't listen to everyone else; Ishmael and Savage Inequalities are actually very fine books...please read them! (Especially if you don't want to face the wrath of Dr. Dan!)

Student #4: "We learned so many things, not so much about teaching, although we learned alot about that too, as about life in general."

Student #5: "This month, however, was not like regular school (Bleech!). We explored just about every facet of the educational field. Our minds are chock full of the words learning styles (Are you concrete sequential?), concept attainment, and closure."

Brainwash me, please!

41 posted on 09/25/2002 4:35:34 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Sloth is the Freeper who attended the 1992 Arkansas Governor's school. See post #32
42 posted on 09/25/2002 4:37:23 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
thanks
43 posted on 09/25/2002 4:45:01 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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I liked this review of Ishmael, required reading at the 1996 Tennessee Governor's School for future teachers:

(ONE STAR) Great Book for self-loathing Caucasians, August 6, 2002

Reviewer: cpccpc from Fair Haven, NJ United States Do you believe Western Civilization is the root of all evil? Do you believe Human beings are nothing but a virus on the face of Mother Earth? Do you hate Caucasians or wish you weren't one? Do you believe that the world would be a better place without people? Then this book is for you!


44 posted on 09/25/2002 4:48:12 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan; All
The Clinton's TRUE agenda was just described in this. I hope everyone in New York and the entire country reads this!!! This is EXACTLY how they treated Chelsea when she was a child and "THEY" were running for office.

Bill Clinton is influenced by the EVIL Hillary because he is a woman chasing COWARD who wouldn't stand up to the WANT TO BE DICTATOR!!! PLEASE DON'T EVER GIVE HER THE CHANCE TO ACHIEVE HER ULTIMATE GOAL!!!

45 posted on 09/25/2002 5:02:02 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Aquinasfan
You know that's a problem with our society as a whole. Notice a few of these folks say they don't think they are conservative, yet they are aghast at the same things conservatives would be. Libs have so vilified conservative and the values associated with that even people who are conservative in their values think they aren't. How do we change this.
I don't know what to say to the Governor's school thing. I think my brother did this is Florida(I remember him being in a 6 week program for advanced students of some sort). This was recent(he's 21) and he's still as conservative as ever, though not particularly religious, but that's from our upbringing.
46 posted on 09/25/2002 5:22:40 PM PDT by glory
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To: glory
bttt
47 posted on 09/25/2002 5:30:15 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Aquinasfan
I have truckloads of questions.

My first question is: Were prayers allowed?

48 posted on 09/25/2002 6:50:05 PM PDT by Slip18
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To: Aquinasfan
He says his mother doesn't see people for the way they are but for the way they act.

Child, child, people are the way they act, not the way they intend or think. But of course once you've been programmed to see everything as relative and forbidden to judge anything or anyone etc. People like the Clintons require that mindset in their followers - otherwise they would have been busted years ago.

49 posted on 09/25/2002 6:59:37 PM PDT by Let's Roll
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To: Aquinasfan
When I got to paragraph three, I knew the Clintons were going to be involved in this story. I am astonished and sickened by what I've read.

I asked my daughter if she had heard of 'Governor's School'.
She has a PHD and has taught at 3 universities. (I count among my blessings that she remains a person of faith, is conservative and Republican-even after spending her entire life in school) She has never heard of 'Governor's School', although she says it sounds like any liberal university.

The Clintons have initiated a program that will perpetuate THEM as long as it's operating.
50 posted on 09/25/2002 7:43:37 PM PDT by windchime
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To: Let's Roll
Child, child, people are the way they act, not the way they intend or think. But of course once you've been programmed to see everything as relative and forbidden to judge anything or anyone etc. People like the Clintons require that mindset in their followers - otherwise they would have been busted years ago.

How many times have you heard Rush say, "liberals judge people by their beliefs, not by what they do"? I didn't appreciate how right he was. To be "virtuous" in their world you have to hold the correct PC dogmas. Then it's OK to get high and screw around. No heavy lifting. It's a good deal if you're shallow, lazy and conscienceless.

51 posted on 09/26/2002 4:20:49 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Sloth
I was there.

Where are you? We've got questions.

52 posted on 09/26/2002 4:35:11 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Thought you might appreciate this.
53 posted on 09/26/2002 4:36:08 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: glory
I think my brother did this is Florida(I remember him being in a 6 week program for advanced students of some sort).

You might want to ask him about it.

POEM BY AGS STUDENT

The following poem was written by a AGS student, but not one of those who committed suicide.

You brought us here to teach us, You said you could enrich our minds.

We came because we felt so honored, You picked us for our talent.

We came to class most faithfully, to learn and experience your vast wisdom.

We took down notes on what you said, and our minds absorbed all we could be,

But then we saw what we had gathered, and wondered how that this could be,

for established facts were proven wrong, and nothing twice was ever the same.

We went to class and were asked to stand, for our chairs, you said, did not exist.

You also said, "Stop your breathing, and prove to us you are not dead."

We went to class and stood in place, you asked us why we should be happy.

You said common sense showed we should be crying,

and our facade of happiness was only a weakness.

We went to public showings of things, that would be better off staying in private.

Death Jihads and single murders, discussion of these was heartily endorsed.

We went to lectures where we were told, there was no God and all was right.

Whatever you wanted, it was good, be it death jihads or single murder.

We also were told about our rights, and how we should defend them.

Allow the white robed and hooded figures to march,

while others denied these rights, cringe in fear.

We were told this and so much more, and many of us believed you.

And those of us who disagreed, unto us was rendered scorn and shame.

You brought us here to lie to us, You thought that you could crush our minds.

We came because we were so blind, So trusting and so naive.

But now you see, I have won, I've beaten you at your own game.

I know the gun I hold at my head is real, and I have the strength to put it down.


54 posted on 09/26/2002 4:50:07 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
The intellectually gifted children will supply the leadership for the next generation. It is in the interests of the currently-governing elites that these children be transformed into people who will support the goals of the elite

Those who will not allow themselves to be transformed, will be destroyed rather than risk that child will become a leader for the opposition

This is why I homeschool. I will shield my kids from the mental manipulators until I judge they are strong enough to recognise when someone is attempting mind-control techniques on them, and deal with the attempted controller appropriately

55 posted on 09/26/2002 5:34:10 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: EverOnward
My daughter is being encouraged to apply for the Governors School here in Virginia. Now, I'm wondering what goes on in Virginia?

Here's the Virginia site. It's run by the Virginia Department of Education.

On one of my previous posts a parent mentions that the seed money (three years) for these programs came from the Carnegie Foundation. This makes sense because the testimonials here ranging from 1983-1996 describe a similar format ("no absolutes," "we are the elite," "no one will understand this," PC curriculum). It seems that the Department of Ed takes over the operation after the seed money runs out.

So how are these schools funded today? Do they have a line item in the education budget? When were they first authorized? Was legislation put forward in various states in the same year? I'd like to know.

56 posted on 09/26/2002 5:57:21 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: SauronOfMordor
This is why I homeschool. I will shield my kids from the mental manipulators until I judge they are strong enough to recognise when someone is attempting mind-control techniques on them, and deal with the attempted controller appropriately

The number two reason why we homeschool. #1 is to learn the faith.

If parents knew what the educrats have in mind for their children many more people would be homeschooling. My kids will only enter a government school over my dead body.

57 posted on 09/26/2002 6:00:14 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
Still don't have to time to respond adequately, I'm afraid... will try to do so sometime tonight. BTW, yes, the 'areas' were split up into classes of maybe 15-20 students and an instructor. To have everybody together would not have been practical; there are 400 students at AGS (or were when I was there). It was small-group-discussion oriented.

Area II was a philosophically oriented thing where your beliefs are challenged, kind of like a liberal humanist version FR. :)

Area III was warm fuzzy how-does-this-make-you-feel crap. The way one (idiot) fellow student put it was, "Area II is where they rip you apart, Area III is where they put you back together."

Most people (being emotional rather than logical) preferred III over II, but I liked II better.

More later...
58 posted on 09/26/2002 6:04:31 AM PDT by Sloth
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To: Slip18
Were prayers allowed?

Well, I don't know of anyone trying to pray out loud during one of the class periods... certainly it wasn't openly prohibited, and it probably would have been allowed if it wasn't disruptive, but anyone doing it probably would have been subject to ridicule from classmates. We did do 'meditation' in Area III once.

However, let me blow your mind by mentioning that in Area II, our class was at one point instructed to repeatedly chant the word 'F**k'.

59 posted on 09/26/2002 6:26:23 AM PDT by Sloth
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To: Let's Roll
Back in the early seventies, "I'm Okay, You're Okay" was being pushed and promoted to "enlighten" us youth. It sounded very good back then. Now that I am older, I wouldn't want my children to influenced by the no absolutes thnking. What is so sad and unbelievable about these educational elitists is that so many of them are so dysfunctional and they want everyone else to be the same! That way they are self affirmed and have no need to question right and wrong. No need to submit to The Authority that defines right and wrong.
60 posted on 09/26/2002 6:35:26 AM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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