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Don't Start the Second Gulf War
National Review Online ^ | 8-12-02 | Doug Bandow

Posted on 09/24/2002 11:51:53 AM PDT by Protagoras

Don’t Start the Second Gulf War
The case against war with Iraq.

By Doug Bandow
August 12, 2002, 9:00 a.m.

President George W. Bush says that he hasn't made up his mind about "any of our policies in regard to Iraq," but he obviously has. To not attack after spending months talking about the need for regime change is inconceivable. Unfortunately, war is not likely to be the simple and certain procedure that he and many others seem to think.

Lots of arguments have been offered on behalf of striking Baghdad that are not reasons at all. For instance, that Saddam Hussein is an evil man who has brutalized his own people.

Certainly true. But the world is full of brutal regimes that have murdered their own people. Indeed, Washington ally Turkey's treatment of its Kurds is scarcely more gentle than Iraq's Kurdish policies.

Moreover, the U.S. warmly supports the royal kleptocracy next door in Saudi Arabia, fully as totalitarian, if not quite as violent, as Saddam's government. Any non-Muslim and most women would probably prefer living in Iraq.

Also cited is Baghdad's conquest of Kuwait a dozen years ago. It is a bit late to drag that out as a justification for invading Iraq and overthrowing Saddam. He is far weaker today and has remained firmly contained.

Richard Butler, former head of the U.N. Commission on Iraq, complained to the Senate Foreign Relations that Iraq had violated international law by tossing out arms inspectors. In fact, there are often as many reasons to flout as to obey U.N. rules. Washington shouldn't go to war in some abstract pursuit of "international law."

Slightly more plausible, at least, is the argument that creating a democratic system in Iraq would provide a useful model for the rest of the Mideast. But that presupposes democracy can be easily planted, and that it can survive once the U.S. departs.

Iraq suffers from significant internal stresses. Convenient professions of unity in pursuit of democracy from an opposition once dismissed by Mideast special envoy and retired Gen. Anthony Zinni as "silk-suited, Rolex-wearing guys in London" offer little comfort and are likely to last no longer than have similar promises in Afghanistan.

Also problematic are Kurdish demands for autonomy and Shiite Muslim resistance to the central government. One defense official told the Washington Post: "I think it is almost a certainty that we'd wind up doing a campaign against the Kurds and Shiites." Wouldn't that be pretty? <

There are external threats as well. Particularly worrisome would be covert and possibly overt action by Iran, with which Baghdad fought a decade-long war and which might see intervention against a weakened Iraq as an antidote to serious political unrest at home.

Indeed, the U.S. backed Baghdad in its conflict with Iran and decided not to depose Saddam in 1991, in part out of fear of Iranian aggression throughout the Gulf should Iraq no longer provide a blocking role. Keeping the Iraqi Humpty Dumpty together after a war might not be easy.

Moreover, while Americans might see America's war on Iraq as a war for democracy, most Arabs would likely see it as a war for Washington. If the U.S. deposes Saddam, but leaves in place friendly but despotic regimes elsewhere — such as Egypt, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia — few Arabs would take America's democracy rhetoric seriously. Nor should they. Yet to go to war against everyone, including presumably Iran, Syria, and maybe others, would have incalculable consequences.

Saddam's complicity in September 11 would present a good argument for devastating retaliation for an act of war, but there's no evidence that he was involved. All that exists is a disputed meeting, which might not have occurred, in the Czech Republic between hijacker Mohammed Atta and an Iraqi official.

Certainly Saddam shed no tears over the thousands who died on that tragic day, but he has never been known to promote groups which he does not control. In contrast to Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein is no Muslim fanatic looking forward to his heavenly rewards; moreover, he heads a government and nation against which retaliation is simple.

Probably the best, at least the most fearsome, argument for overthrowing Saddam is the prospect of Baghdad developing weapons of mass destruction. Yet if nonproliferation should be enforced by war, Washington will be very busy in the coming years.

The problem is not just countries like Iran and North Korea, which seem to have or have had serious interest in developing atomic weapons. It is China, which could use them in any conflict with the U.S. over, say, Taiwan. And India, Pakistan, and Russia, which face unpredictable nationalist and theological currents, enjoy governments of varying instability, and offer uncertain security over technical know-how as well as weapons.

Potentially most dangerous is Pakistan's arsenal. The government of Pervez Musharraf is none too steady; Islamabad long supported the Taliban and its military and intelligence forces almost certainly contain al Qaeda sympathizers. It is easy to imagine nuclear technology falling into terrorist hands.

An Iraqi nuclear capability seems less frightening in comparison. Saddam would not use them against America, since to do so would guarantee his incineration. Israel possesses a similarly overbearing deterrent.

Would Baghdad turn atomic weapons over to al Qaeda or similarly motivated terrorists? Not likely.

First, it would be extraordinary for Saddam to give up a technology purchased at such a high price. Second, Baghdad would be the immediate suspect and likely target of retaliation should any terrorist deploy nuclear weapons, and Saddam knows this.

Third, Saddam would be risking his own life. Al Qaeda holds secular Arab dictators in contempt and would not be above attempting to destroy them as well as America.

Of course, the world would be a better place without Saddam's dictatorship. But there are a lot of regimes that should, and eventually will, end up in history's dustbin. That's not a good reason to initiate war against a state which poses no direct, ongoing threat.

Especially since war often creates unpredictable consequences. Without domestic opposition military forces to do America's dirty work, Washington will have to bear most of the burden. The task will be more difficult and expensive without European support and Saudi staging grounds.

If Iraq's forces don't quickly crumble, the U.S. might find itself involved in urban conflict that will be costly in human and political terms. If Baghdad possesses any weapons of mass destruction, Saddam will have an incentive to use them — against America, Israel, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia — since Washington would be dedicated to his overthrow.

Further, the U.S. would be sloshing gasoline over a combustible political situation in friendly but undemocratic Arab regimes stretching from North Africa to Southeast Asia. Israelis and Palestinians are at war, America continues to fight Taliban and al Qaeda forces in Afghanistan as the pro-western government teeters on chaos, fundamentalist Muslims rule western Pakistan, and Muslim extremists are active a dozen other countries. Yet the administration wants to invade Iraq. Riots in Egypt, a fundamentalist rising in Pakistan, a spurt of sectarian violence in Indonesia, and who knows what else could pose a high price for any success in Iraq.

War is a serious business. Making war on a country which does not threaten the U.S. is particularly serious. Even if the optimists who think a campaign against Iraq would be easy are right, and we can only hope they are, war should be a last resort. As House Majority Leader Richard Armey warned, an unprovoked attack "would not be consistent with what we have been as a nation or what we should be as a nation."

There's certainly no hurry to go to war. Nothing is different today from September 10, 2001, or any time since Iraq was ousted from Kuwait. Observes Jim Cornette, formerly an expert in biological warfare with the Air Force: "We've bottled [Saddam] up for 11 years, so we're doing okay."

There are times when Washington has no choice but to fight. Iraq is not such a place and now is not such a time.

— Doug Bandow is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute and a former Special Assistant to President Ronald Reagan.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; cato; onemontholdarticle; saddam; war
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To: deport
Sheesh, go back to bed or take the day off--you need some rest.
621 posted on 09/25/2002 10:56:02 AM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: Huck
Second, Dick Armey went on TV and lied to the camera about amnesty for illegals.

What does the Prez have to say on the same topic?

622 posted on 09/25/2002 11:00:24 AM PDT by iconoclast
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To: rightwing2
I know why you bothered.
623 posted on 09/25/2002 11:01:48 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
If you would have asked if it was moral and right to fight for freedom, I would have answered yes. Instead you asked a 6th grade question.

It is around 6th grade that the ability to reason and judge begins to percolate. For some, liberals mostly, their development is stunted or never happens at all. But now you've made a huge leap. Mission accomplished...now go forth and leave your relativist views behind forever.

624 posted on 09/25/2002 11:01:58 AM PDT by iranger
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To: iconoclast
The President supported the legislation. The provision was called 245(i), I think, and it did offer amnesty to illegals, though Armey and Fleischer and others said it didn't. I believed them until I was shown otherwise.
625 posted on 09/25/2002 11:09:21 AM PDT by Huck
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To: iranger
If you really believe that asking someone to pretend they are 200 yrs in the past, and wanting their opinion on a subject that they know the outcome to, is a valid question, then please, have the last word, you obviously need it.
626 posted on 09/25/2002 11:09:23 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
Why? Because your parasitic friend might be at risk of getting in trouble for cruising FR on the taxpayer's dime? You are noboddy - and your suggestions are meaningless.
627 posted on 09/25/2002 11:10:03 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: deport
She must be sweet on guys who talk tough over the Internet. Thats why she wants the thread to die.
628 posted on 09/25/2002 11:14:59 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: sinkspur
If you'll crack under the pressure of an Internet forum, you can't be trusted to be anywhere near classified information.

In all honesty, since I am not an intelligence officer, I was never informed that merely telling someone you had access was in any way improper. In fact, where I work doing so is very routine. Once, I found out that it was I refrained from referring to that fact, until I was brutally smeared and assaulted by CWOJackson and Texasforever who maliciously tried and failed to get me fired from my job last week by lying to the FBI, NSA and DOD in saying that I had in any way compromised any class info when they knew that I had not done so.
629 posted on 09/25/2002 11:21:37 AM PDT by rightwing2
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To: rightwing2
Once, I found out that it was I refrained from referring to that fact, until I was brutally smeared and assaulted by CWOJackson and Texasforever who maliciously tried and failed to get me fired from my job last week by lying to the FBI, NSA and DOD in saying that I had in any way compromised any class info when they knew that I had not done so.

So you only referred to having access to classified information when someone accused you of having compromised classified info? How in hell did that help your case?

You're a very angry man, and you have no business being around any information having to do with national security.

The kind of girls you want to impress may swoon over your access, but those of us who aren't adolescents take a dim view of the yapping of people who are supposed to keep their damned mouths shut.

630 posted on 09/25/2002 11:31:21 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: deport; FreedominJesusChrist
Lying..... lol Like the following Posting while at your Government job drawing a Government pay check, simple do you or don't you If so is that legit? honest, the Christian thing to do? Do you do other jobs such as your VRA work, compose or write essays or columns, etc while on Government work time? Did you flip your State flag from VA to blank to CA back to VA in the span of a few days? These are only questions I've been asking of you....

There is nothing wrong with posting on the internet in your spare time as long as you get your work done in a timpely fashion. Geez, everyone here does it! You seriously need to get a life! There is nothing dishonest or unChristian about it. I changed my flag because your fellow America haters CWO and texasforever spooked me that night, but by the next day when I re-read the thread and reconfirmed that I had done nothing wrong, I switched it back. They were trying to destroy me in a very personal way and were directly aided in their crimes by despicable rat scum like you got my personal info right off my home page to do it.

The very fact that I had lots of personal information and have been very honest and transparent about who I am on the internet demonstrates that I have nothing to hide. Principled people who strive in every way to be honest and upright rarely do. You on the other hand, I see have no personal info on your homepage because as a lying rat, I suspect you have a great deal to hide from those who would hold you responsible for the lies that you say...You need to get back to 6th grade class so that you don't get flunked and have to repeat 6th grade all over again for the umpteenth time. LOL!
631 posted on 09/25/2002 11:32:44 AM PDT by rightwing2
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To: stuartcr
What happened 225 years ago is relevant to today. Just as the birth of Christ some 2000 years ago is still relevant to all who believe in His name. Both events changed the world for the better. 200 years hence my decendents, God willing, will be making the same reflection about our "war on terror" rolling back the darkness of tyranny that oppresses the vast majority of the eastern world.
632 posted on 09/25/2002 11:44:00 AM PDT by iranger
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To: rightwing2
I have a very simple question: Do you talk to your superiors the way you talk to people here?

And even more important, do you talk to your subordinates the way you talk to people here?

I submit that for someone who claims to be Christian (yeah, right - like I believe that), your repeated demeaning of people like CWO Jackson, who would normally be your subordinates evidences a situation where you shouldn't be trusted in a management position.

It is no wonder you are no longer a serving officer. My guess is that your OERs were atrocious, and they were only too happy to separate you as a captain. I'm certain that had you actually seen combat, your men would have had a little "friendly fire" episode, given your behavior here.

Have you no shame?

633 posted on 09/25/2002 12:02:52 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: stuartcr
OK then. I think it's fair to say that we can document at least some Afghans who wanted the US to act, who are grateful that we did. And personally, I said as much earlier, there are certain living situations in which death is preferable. Having watched "Behind the Veil" (documentary on life for Afghans under the Taliban, with emphasis on women), it seems pretty plausible that some Afghans would agree. People have been dying for freedom since the world began, and I bet most of them don't regret the price they paid for the dream they had.

At any rate, have a good afternoon.
634 posted on 09/25/2002 12:27:38 PM PDT by agrace
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To: agrace
There have been peasants living under tyranny for thousands of years, they have nothing, and they know they never will, yet they struggle to survive because they have hope that there children may someday have more. These are the heroes, not the ones that die and leave their families behind.
635 posted on 09/25/2002 12:41:25 PM PDT by stuartcr
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To: rightwing2

Well whoop tee doo.... but does that make it honest and the Christian thing to do to take compensation you've not earned? Sounds like there is a lot of time spent not earning the dollars the tax payers are paying you for in your work group....

Could you estimate the number of hours per day/week/month that everyone spends in this mode of "Geez, everyone here does it!".

636 posted on 09/25/2002 1:08:52 PM PDT by deport
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To: ThomasJefferson
Perhaps coming home with a half of a loaf of bread was a bad idea.

Oh well, hindsight's always 20-20 isn't it? I thought at the time we should have taken him out too. After all Bush had made the case that he was a new Hitler, and stopping at the Kuwait border was like if we had stopped at the Rhine in WWII. But as Bush41 points out, at the time all the Democrats were saying Bush had no mandate beyond pushing Saddam out of Kuwait, and every leader in the mid-east told Bush that Saddam wouldn't last six months. But once Saddam started violating the cease-fire we should have responded immediately by attacking every military installation, presidential palace and WMD facility we can find. It was Clinton who allowed Saddam to progressivly shred every commitment he made at the end of Desert Storm with only token responses.

637 posted on 09/25/2002 1:11:57 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: rightwing2
They were trying to destroy me in a very personal way and were directly aided in their crimes by despicable rat scum like you got my personal info right off my home page to do it.

Well atleast you take personal responsibility for putting it at there in public....like a good conservative.

638 posted on 09/25/2002 1:12:32 PM PDT by NeoCaveman
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To: deport
If this imposter is at a Govt site, it must be a low security one, like Fish and Game! LOL! Any good network engineer would have captured packets of every bit of data going in or out, and they undoubtedly would know what this dufus is doing. But word is out on this one; it is not worth the attention.
639 posted on 09/25/2002 1:22:04 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: rightwing2
Your OERs must have be hilarious reading. If you talked to your subordinates the way you talk here, you can consider yourself lucky that you never saw combat, because "death by training exercise" is a lot harder to set up than "death by friendly fire".

No wonder you didn't stay in long enough to make field grade.

640 posted on 09/25/2002 2:28:28 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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