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Don't Start the Second Gulf War
National Review Online ^ | 8-12-02 | Doug Bandow

Posted on 09/24/2002 11:51:53 AM PDT by Protagoras

Don’t Start the Second Gulf War
The case against war with Iraq.

By Doug Bandow
August 12, 2002, 9:00 a.m.

President George W. Bush says that he hasn't made up his mind about "any of our policies in regard to Iraq," but he obviously has. To not attack after spending months talking about the need for regime change is inconceivable. Unfortunately, war is not likely to be the simple and certain procedure that he and many others seem to think.

Lots of arguments have been offered on behalf of striking Baghdad that are not reasons at all. For instance, that Saddam Hussein is an evil man who has brutalized his own people.

Certainly true. But the world is full of brutal regimes that have murdered their own people. Indeed, Washington ally Turkey's treatment of its Kurds is scarcely more gentle than Iraq's Kurdish policies.

Moreover, the U.S. warmly supports the royal kleptocracy next door in Saudi Arabia, fully as totalitarian, if not quite as violent, as Saddam's government. Any non-Muslim and most women would probably prefer living in Iraq.

Also cited is Baghdad's conquest of Kuwait a dozen years ago. It is a bit late to drag that out as a justification for invading Iraq and overthrowing Saddam. He is far weaker today and has remained firmly contained.

Richard Butler, former head of the U.N. Commission on Iraq, complained to the Senate Foreign Relations that Iraq had violated international law by tossing out arms inspectors. In fact, there are often as many reasons to flout as to obey U.N. rules. Washington shouldn't go to war in some abstract pursuit of "international law."

Slightly more plausible, at least, is the argument that creating a democratic system in Iraq would provide a useful model for the rest of the Mideast. But that presupposes democracy can be easily planted, and that it can survive once the U.S. departs.

Iraq suffers from significant internal stresses. Convenient professions of unity in pursuit of democracy from an opposition once dismissed by Mideast special envoy and retired Gen. Anthony Zinni as "silk-suited, Rolex-wearing guys in London" offer little comfort and are likely to last no longer than have similar promises in Afghanistan.

Also problematic are Kurdish demands for autonomy and Shiite Muslim resistance to the central government. One defense official told the Washington Post: "I think it is almost a certainty that we'd wind up doing a campaign against the Kurds and Shiites." Wouldn't that be pretty? <

There are external threats as well. Particularly worrisome would be covert and possibly overt action by Iran, with which Baghdad fought a decade-long war and which might see intervention against a weakened Iraq as an antidote to serious political unrest at home.

Indeed, the U.S. backed Baghdad in its conflict with Iran and decided not to depose Saddam in 1991, in part out of fear of Iranian aggression throughout the Gulf should Iraq no longer provide a blocking role. Keeping the Iraqi Humpty Dumpty together after a war might not be easy.

Moreover, while Americans might see America's war on Iraq as a war for democracy, most Arabs would likely see it as a war for Washington. If the U.S. deposes Saddam, but leaves in place friendly but despotic regimes elsewhere — such as Egypt, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia — few Arabs would take America's democracy rhetoric seriously. Nor should they. Yet to go to war against everyone, including presumably Iran, Syria, and maybe others, would have incalculable consequences.

Saddam's complicity in September 11 would present a good argument for devastating retaliation for an act of war, but there's no evidence that he was involved. All that exists is a disputed meeting, which might not have occurred, in the Czech Republic between hijacker Mohammed Atta and an Iraqi official.

Certainly Saddam shed no tears over the thousands who died on that tragic day, but he has never been known to promote groups which he does not control. In contrast to Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein is no Muslim fanatic looking forward to his heavenly rewards; moreover, he heads a government and nation against which retaliation is simple.

Probably the best, at least the most fearsome, argument for overthrowing Saddam is the prospect of Baghdad developing weapons of mass destruction. Yet if nonproliferation should be enforced by war, Washington will be very busy in the coming years.

The problem is not just countries like Iran and North Korea, which seem to have or have had serious interest in developing atomic weapons. It is China, which could use them in any conflict with the U.S. over, say, Taiwan. And India, Pakistan, and Russia, which face unpredictable nationalist and theological currents, enjoy governments of varying instability, and offer uncertain security over technical know-how as well as weapons.

Potentially most dangerous is Pakistan's arsenal. The government of Pervez Musharraf is none too steady; Islamabad long supported the Taliban and its military and intelligence forces almost certainly contain al Qaeda sympathizers. It is easy to imagine nuclear technology falling into terrorist hands.

An Iraqi nuclear capability seems less frightening in comparison. Saddam would not use them against America, since to do so would guarantee his incineration. Israel possesses a similarly overbearing deterrent.

Would Baghdad turn atomic weapons over to al Qaeda or similarly motivated terrorists? Not likely.

First, it would be extraordinary for Saddam to give up a technology purchased at such a high price. Second, Baghdad would be the immediate suspect and likely target of retaliation should any terrorist deploy nuclear weapons, and Saddam knows this.

Third, Saddam would be risking his own life. Al Qaeda holds secular Arab dictators in contempt and would not be above attempting to destroy them as well as America.

Of course, the world would be a better place without Saddam's dictatorship. But there are a lot of regimes that should, and eventually will, end up in history's dustbin. That's not a good reason to initiate war against a state which poses no direct, ongoing threat.

Especially since war often creates unpredictable consequences. Without domestic opposition military forces to do America's dirty work, Washington will have to bear most of the burden. The task will be more difficult and expensive without European support and Saudi staging grounds.

If Iraq's forces don't quickly crumble, the U.S. might find itself involved in urban conflict that will be costly in human and political terms. If Baghdad possesses any weapons of mass destruction, Saddam will have an incentive to use them — against America, Israel, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia — since Washington would be dedicated to his overthrow.

Further, the U.S. would be sloshing gasoline over a combustible political situation in friendly but undemocratic Arab regimes stretching from North Africa to Southeast Asia. Israelis and Palestinians are at war, America continues to fight Taliban and al Qaeda forces in Afghanistan as the pro-western government teeters on chaos, fundamentalist Muslims rule western Pakistan, and Muslim extremists are active a dozen other countries. Yet the administration wants to invade Iraq. Riots in Egypt, a fundamentalist rising in Pakistan, a spurt of sectarian violence in Indonesia, and who knows what else could pose a high price for any success in Iraq.

War is a serious business. Making war on a country which does not threaten the U.S. is particularly serious. Even if the optimists who think a campaign against Iraq would be easy are right, and we can only hope they are, war should be a last resort. As House Majority Leader Richard Armey warned, an unprovoked attack "would not be consistent with what we have been as a nation or what we should be as a nation."

There's certainly no hurry to go to war. Nothing is different today from September 10, 2001, or any time since Iraq was ousted from Kuwait. Observes Jim Cornette, formerly an expert in biological warfare with the Air Force: "We've bottled [Saddam] up for 11 years, so we're doing okay."

There are times when Washington has no choice but to fight. Iraq is not such a place and now is not such a time.

— Doug Bandow is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute and a former Special Assistant to President Ronald Reagan.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; cato; onemontholdarticle; saddam; war
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To: The Other Harry
"The reasons for posting crap are what?"

You're asking me?

Ask TJ, he posted the article!

261 posted on 09/24/2002 3:47:41 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: ThomasJefferson
FWIW, I have no problem with your posting this Article TJ.
And the "noise" level is deafening wherever the hyena's roam. We need you on FR, to keep up the intellectual discourse, and I say this without really worrying about your personal view of going into IRAQ. My own reason for going in as soon as an immediate victory is as sure as such can be anticipated is that the rest of the Islamist/Nazi regimes have got to see us make an example of how thuggery is rewarded even if it doesn't totally fit due to the secular nature of Iraq's structure...It is foolish to sit by and allow more young arabs to be indoctrinated into the delusion that ISLAM will prevail in ANY conflict for territory or religious fundamentalism...An example must be made SOON!
262 posted on 09/24/2002 3:48:33 PM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: ThomasJefferson
It should be pointed out however, that the author is not the subject. Thoughtful concideration of the points he has made and critique of them should be the goal of this thread. I know you can rise above discussing the author instead of the ideas, I have seen you do it on occasion.

But if you go back and look, that is all I have been doing. Someone else came along and asked how I could say the author was "too liberal." And if you go back and look (I am not asking you too--hell, I didn't even bother), you will see that I pointed out that I was not speaking about the author, of whom I am not familiar, but his arguments. His arguments, TJ. That is what I have been talking about.

263 posted on 09/24/2002 3:49:06 PM PDT by Huck
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To: agrace
Discussing is fine, it's what I am doing. Debating is something different, and it's not what I want to do. Your opinion doesn't interest me at all. If it exists, and is obvious to me, I am here to offer a different point of view.
264 posted on 09/24/2002 3:49:58 PM PDT by stuartcr
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To: dorben
They talk in circles and demand that the rest of the world join in on the tiresome debate .

No one demanded that you or anyone else join in any debate. You are free to visit a different thread.

The article represents one persons opinion. It is after all, an OP ED piece. If you aren't interested, please move along. Other seem to have been interested in reading and commenting on the ideas found in the article. The number of replies is getting quite long.

265 posted on 09/24/2002 3:52:34 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: iranger
How can you possibly expect an opinion on a question about something over 200 yrs ago? I already know the outcome of the war. All that has formed the way I think at this time, is what has happened in my lifetime. Nothing that makes me think the way I do today, was even in existence in 1776! It's a ridiculous question. If I was royalist, I probably would have been against the war, if I was an indentured farmer, I probably would have been for it. No one alive today can answer that question honestly. Please be realistic, as well as honest.
266 posted on 09/24/2002 3:55:19 PM PDT by stuartcr
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To: dorben
What graphics?
267 posted on 09/24/2002 3:56:10 PM PDT by stuartcr
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To: sleavelessinseattle
Thank you for the comments. I'm glad there is a place to post such opinions for discussion. Some here seem to think it would be a better site if everyone agreed and no one posted thought provoking articles.

Only those articles that toed the "company line", would make this one dull place.

268 posted on 09/24/2002 4:00:20 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
I just want you to know I appreciate your posting the article,I happen to agree with it entirely.You have said you're still considering so it was especially nice of you to post it.

My husband was shot down in Viet Nam and I have watched our government since.As the years have passed I find it terribly sad to see that nothing has changed.It is a little less easy to shnooker folks with the instant and accessible means of communications;however,the dumbing down of the populace has probably erased any advantages the increased information could have gained.This is compounded by the casual attitude toward truth which most people have adopted and I think we are worse off than during the Viet Nam era.

Reading some of these comments by Freepers,who I consider to be quite above average in intellect and understanding,is truly frightening.It almost seems as if our leaders want us to be docile,impoverished citizens of the planet earth.

269 posted on 09/24/2002 4:02:59 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: Lord_Baltar
they are traitors and commmies!
270 posted on 09/24/2002 4:07:01 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
he can't count beyond

5


271 posted on 09/24/2002 4:09:00 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: ExpandNATO
I am confused,I have read in more than one place that with the Northern Alliance back in charge the drug dealing and overt homosexuality is back on the streets. So I guess it all depends on the "strokes" you like best.

Remnds me of what we did in Kosovo,but I guess we did relieve them of some of those dumb,old churches and bridges.

272 posted on 09/24/2002 4:09:56 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: ThomasJefferson
Don't Start the Second Gulf War

Don't worry Dougie, we're not starting anything. We're going to FINISH IT!

273 posted on 09/24/2002 4:12:01 PM PDT by slimer
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To: saradippity
It almost seems as if our leaders want us to be docile,impoverished citizens of the planet earth.

Isn't that the DNC's Platform for 2004?

274 posted on 09/24/2002 4:13:41 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Well, I would ask for your source, but doubt you have one,

Well, I gotta scoot outta here to go to chorus practice (yeah, I have a life) but I'll try to remember to send you one tomorrow and I'll be very specific because I doubt if you'd recognize a source if it ran over you in a Mack truck.

Look 'em up yourself if you can't wait, they're right here on FR. But READ BEYOND THE HEADLINE!

275 posted on 09/24/2002 4:17:35 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: ThomasJefferson
Don’t Start the Second Gulf War

Actually, we're just finishing the first one.

276 posted on 09/24/2002 4:30:36 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: dubyaismypresident
Rotflmao!
277 posted on 09/24/2002 4:33:21 PM PDT by hobbes1
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To: VaBthang4; justshe; Mo1; Poohbah; Texasforever; Kevin Curry; Cultural Jihad; Miss Marple; ...
What's the deal? Why are these Libertarians so against preventing Saddam from getting nukes and removing him from power?

Saddam must be sitting on a large amount of good drugs or something? Why else would these dopers be so worried about a Regime change in Iraq? I guess since Noriega was removed from power and the drug trade severely slowed, along with the recent success in South America, Drugs must be hard to get and Saddam must be their last hope

278 posted on 09/24/2002 4:34:02 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: The Other Harry
Gimme 5, Harry.
279 posted on 09/24/2002 4:34:53 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: saradippity
I just want you to know I appreciate your posting the article

Thank you. It also has served to bring a few childish posters to the forefront where they unwittingly expose their "contributions" to FreeRepublic.

I am sorry that your husband was shot down, I hope that doesn't mean he was killed. If so, please accept my deepest christian sympathy. And if not, please thank him for serving our country in an unpopular war. My gratitude to our soldiers is deep. It is one reason I don't take war talk lightly.

There is a lot of gung ho warriors here who would tone it down some if they ever had to do the fighting themselves. Hard to fight with a load in the drawers. Easier on the internet.

Which is not said to denigrate those here who truly believe that we should go to war for all the right reasons. Many of them have what it takes. It isn't usually hard to tell the difference.

280 posted on 09/24/2002 4:37:07 PM PDT by Protagoras
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