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Don't Start the Second Gulf War
National Review Online ^ | 8-12-02 | Doug Bandow

Posted on 09/24/2002 11:51:53 AM PDT by Protagoras

Don’t Start the Second Gulf War
The case against war with Iraq.

By Doug Bandow
August 12, 2002, 9:00 a.m.

President George W. Bush says that he hasn't made up his mind about "any of our policies in regard to Iraq," but he obviously has. To not attack after spending months talking about the need for regime change is inconceivable. Unfortunately, war is not likely to be the simple and certain procedure that he and many others seem to think.

Lots of arguments have been offered on behalf of striking Baghdad that are not reasons at all. For instance, that Saddam Hussein is an evil man who has brutalized his own people.

Certainly true. But the world is full of brutal regimes that have murdered their own people. Indeed, Washington ally Turkey's treatment of its Kurds is scarcely more gentle than Iraq's Kurdish policies.

Moreover, the U.S. warmly supports the royal kleptocracy next door in Saudi Arabia, fully as totalitarian, if not quite as violent, as Saddam's government. Any non-Muslim and most women would probably prefer living in Iraq.

Also cited is Baghdad's conquest of Kuwait a dozen years ago. It is a bit late to drag that out as a justification for invading Iraq and overthrowing Saddam. He is far weaker today and has remained firmly contained.

Richard Butler, former head of the U.N. Commission on Iraq, complained to the Senate Foreign Relations that Iraq had violated international law by tossing out arms inspectors. In fact, there are often as many reasons to flout as to obey U.N. rules. Washington shouldn't go to war in some abstract pursuit of "international law."

Slightly more plausible, at least, is the argument that creating a democratic system in Iraq would provide a useful model for the rest of the Mideast. But that presupposes democracy can be easily planted, and that it can survive once the U.S. departs.

Iraq suffers from significant internal stresses. Convenient professions of unity in pursuit of democracy from an opposition once dismissed by Mideast special envoy and retired Gen. Anthony Zinni as "silk-suited, Rolex-wearing guys in London" offer little comfort and are likely to last no longer than have similar promises in Afghanistan.

Also problematic are Kurdish demands for autonomy and Shiite Muslim resistance to the central government. One defense official told the Washington Post: "I think it is almost a certainty that we'd wind up doing a campaign against the Kurds and Shiites." Wouldn't that be pretty? <

There are external threats as well. Particularly worrisome would be covert and possibly overt action by Iran, with which Baghdad fought a decade-long war and which might see intervention against a weakened Iraq as an antidote to serious political unrest at home.

Indeed, the U.S. backed Baghdad in its conflict with Iran and decided not to depose Saddam in 1991, in part out of fear of Iranian aggression throughout the Gulf should Iraq no longer provide a blocking role. Keeping the Iraqi Humpty Dumpty together after a war might not be easy.

Moreover, while Americans might see America's war on Iraq as a war for democracy, most Arabs would likely see it as a war for Washington. If the U.S. deposes Saddam, but leaves in place friendly but despotic regimes elsewhere — such as Egypt, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia — few Arabs would take America's democracy rhetoric seriously. Nor should they. Yet to go to war against everyone, including presumably Iran, Syria, and maybe others, would have incalculable consequences.

Saddam's complicity in September 11 would present a good argument for devastating retaliation for an act of war, but there's no evidence that he was involved. All that exists is a disputed meeting, which might not have occurred, in the Czech Republic between hijacker Mohammed Atta and an Iraqi official.

Certainly Saddam shed no tears over the thousands who died on that tragic day, but he has never been known to promote groups which he does not control. In contrast to Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein is no Muslim fanatic looking forward to his heavenly rewards; moreover, he heads a government and nation against which retaliation is simple.

Probably the best, at least the most fearsome, argument for overthrowing Saddam is the prospect of Baghdad developing weapons of mass destruction. Yet if nonproliferation should be enforced by war, Washington will be very busy in the coming years.

The problem is not just countries like Iran and North Korea, which seem to have or have had serious interest in developing atomic weapons. It is China, which could use them in any conflict with the U.S. over, say, Taiwan. And India, Pakistan, and Russia, which face unpredictable nationalist and theological currents, enjoy governments of varying instability, and offer uncertain security over technical know-how as well as weapons.

Potentially most dangerous is Pakistan's arsenal. The government of Pervez Musharraf is none too steady; Islamabad long supported the Taliban and its military and intelligence forces almost certainly contain al Qaeda sympathizers. It is easy to imagine nuclear technology falling into terrorist hands.

An Iraqi nuclear capability seems less frightening in comparison. Saddam would not use them against America, since to do so would guarantee his incineration. Israel possesses a similarly overbearing deterrent.

Would Baghdad turn atomic weapons over to al Qaeda or similarly motivated terrorists? Not likely.

First, it would be extraordinary for Saddam to give up a technology purchased at such a high price. Second, Baghdad would be the immediate suspect and likely target of retaliation should any terrorist deploy nuclear weapons, and Saddam knows this.

Third, Saddam would be risking his own life. Al Qaeda holds secular Arab dictators in contempt and would not be above attempting to destroy them as well as America.

Of course, the world would be a better place without Saddam's dictatorship. But there are a lot of regimes that should, and eventually will, end up in history's dustbin. That's not a good reason to initiate war against a state which poses no direct, ongoing threat.

Especially since war often creates unpredictable consequences. Without domestic opposition military forces to do America's dirty work, Washington will have to bear most of the burden. The task will be more difficult and expensive without European support and Saudi staging grounds.

If Iraq's forces don't quickly crumble, the U.S. might find itself involved in urban conflict that will be costly in human and political terms. If Baghdad possesses any weapons of mass destruction, Saddam will have an incentive to use them — against America, Israel, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia — since Washington would be dedicated to his overthrow.

Further, the U.S. would be sloshing gasoline over a combustible political situation in friendly but undemocratic Arab regimes stretching from North Africa to Southeast Asia. Israelis and Palestinians are at war, America continues to fight Taliban and al Qaeda forces in Afghanistan as the pro-western government teeters on chaos, fundamentalist Muslims rule western Pakistan, and Muslim extremists are active a dozen other countries. Yet the administration wants to invade Iraq. Riots in Egypt, a fundamentalist rising in Pakistan, a spurt of sectarian violence in Indonesia, and who knows what else could pose a high price for any success in Iraq.

War is a serious business. Making war on a country which does not threaten the U.S. is particularly serious. Even if the optimists who think a campaign against Iraq would be easy are right, and we can only hope they are, war should be a last resort. As House Majority Leader Richard Armey warned, an unprovoked attack "would not be consistent with what we have been as a nation or what we should be as a nation."

There's certainly no hurry to go to war. Nothing is different today from September 10, 2001, or any time since Iraq was ousted from Kuwait. Observes Jim Cornette, formerly an expert in biological warfare with the Air Force: "We've bottled [Saddam] up for 11 years, so we're doing okay."

There are times when Washington has no choice but to fight. Iraq is not such a place and now is not such a time.

— Doug Bandow is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute and a former Special Assistant to President Ronald Reagan.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; cato; onemontholdarticle; saddam; war
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To: AUgrad; ThomasJefferson
This one might be equally as appropriate.


21 posted on 09/24/2002 12:13:20 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: stuartcr
Beg to differ. Ask the folks in Afghanistan. They seem to be pretty damn happy the Taliban is gone.
22 posted on 09/24/2002 12:13:45 PM PDT by rintense
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To: ThomasJefferson
Agreed. A lot less jingoism might just keep us from starting a war which we probably don't need and certainly don't have the resources to pursue. So far GWB hasn't shown a lot of competence either as a political leader or a Dux Bellorum and there doesn't seem to be much hope for improvement.
23 posted on 09/24/2002 12:14:42 PM PDT by Grut
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To: ThomasJefferson
Well, OK, here is the dumbest line in the whole piece:

Nothing is different today from September 10, 2001, or any time since Iraq was ousted from Kuwait.

The writer's argument is standard. It can be broken down into two basic themes:

1. You can't have a war unless you bring enough for everybody.

2. If you have a war, bad stuff may happen.

Let's look at them briefly. The first argument says that it is inconsistent to be friends with the House of Saud and enemies with Saddam, therefore you may not be enemies with Saddam. It also says that you can't defang Iraq unless you also defang N. Korea, China, Pakistan, etc. Why? Because it would be inconsistent to do otherwise.

I disagree. That's like telling a cop he has to let the perp go because he is unable to arrest every perp. It makes no sense. One less perp is a good thing, the American people support it, let's go.

The second argument is hardly an argument at all. It is the old "quagmire" riff gussied up as "urban combat." We have the most dominant military force the world has ever known. We will win. Now mind you, I have a good buddy who could be called to duty in the event of a war. I am not callously sending other men to fight. I understand what is at stake. People will die. All the more reason to give them our full support and honor their sacrifice.

Third, the arguments seems to assume a static world. Isn't it possible that if the US shows resolve ( something we didn't show much of from 92-00) in Iraq, that other nations might begin to modify their behavior? Isn't it possible that the dynamics of our relations with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia could change by virtue of our willingness to act in Iraq and elsewhere?

The article seemed so much like the same junk coming out of Jesse Jackson's and Phil Donahue's pie holes that I hardly thought they warranted more than sarcasm. But hey, what do I know?

Can we go bomb them now?

24 posted on 09/24/2002 12:15:49 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Grut
And what would you have the US do? Sit back and wait for another 9-11 to happen?
25 posted on 09/24/2002 12:16:13 PM PDT by rintense
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To: ThomasJefferson
It is always important to raise questions about policy when it has far reaching consequences. It is the essence of the informed consent of the governed to the governors.

Yes, very true.

However, neither you nor I have any knowledge of the intelligence detail available to those we have entrusted to lead us.....We can hardly call ourselves sufficiently informed to question tactics and strategy on a war footing. All we have is the pathetic media pablum and the wonders of editorialized information which is fed to us by every imaginable means....both left and right

There has to be great trust in our leaders in time of immense threat.....such as the present.....and I don't think any sane person can assume that the well and frequently demonstrated Islamic effectiveness in killing us without mercy is not not a clear and present danger.

Please have a very nice day.

26 posted on 09/24/2002 12:16:34 PM PDT by rmvh
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To: rintense
Except for the innocent ones that got killed.
27 posted on 09/24/2002 12:17:06 PM PDT by stuartcr
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To: AUgrad
That's the standard kool-aid response to ANY criticism of the plans to attack Iraq. He is calling you a member of the fifth column. It works better for those who won't or can't argue the merits of the article.

Thank you, I stay away from all the latest fads here as much as possible. Like the wonderfully enriching "all your fill in the blank are belong to us" comments in the past.

It's evident that only a few of the posters so far have read the article and thought about what it says. It's sad really.

I have not taken a final postion on the question myself. The questions are important, and the jury is, or should be, still out. IMO

28 posted on 09/24/2002 12:17:31 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: stuartcr
Yes, and war truly sucks. Remember, there were 3025 innocent people murdered on American soil. The innocent lives lost in Afghanistan were done so to give all freedom. The lives lost on American soil were done out of hate. Big difference in my opinion.
29 posted on 09/24/2002 12:18:47 PM PDT by rintense
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To: rintense
Everyone has an opinion.
30 posted on 09/24/2002 12:20:08 PM PDT by stuartcr
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To: rmvh
Please have a very nice day.

I agree with some of what you say, but my trust in governments in light of the past, is less certain than yours. Once we "trust" them about secret information which cannot be diviluged for reasons unexplained, it would be difficult to ask questions in the future.

I also would like to point out that the government has thus far not used your point.

If we aren't allowed to know what the evidence is for starting such an attack, it is hard to imagine under what circumstances we would be allowed. What might be more important for us to know?

Please have a nice day as well.

31 posted on 09/24/2002 12:23:35 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: rintense
Remember, there were 3025 innocent people murdered on American soil.

The government has not said it was contemplating attack because of the terrorism on 9-11-2001.

32 posted on 09/24/2002 12:25:05 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: rintense
I was thinking the same way. The CIA World Factbook says:

Saudi Arabia- no elections, hereditary monarchy, the legislature is appointed by the king, no political parties and no political groups permitted.

Iran- cabinet: Council of Ministers selected by the president with legislative approval

elections: leader of the Islamic Revolution appointed for life by the Assembly of Experts; president elected by popular vote for a four-year term; election last held 8 June 2001 (next to be held NA 2005)

election results: (Ali) Mohammad KHATAMI-Ardakani reelected president; percent of vote - (Ali) Mohammad KHATAMI-Ardakani 77%

Legislative branch: unicameral Islamic Consultative Assembly or Majles-e-Shura-ye-Eslami (290 seats, note - changed from 270 seats with the 18 February 2000 election; members elected by popular vote to serve four-year terms)

elections: last held 18 February-NA April 2000 (next to be held NA 2004)

election results: percent of vote - NA%; seats by party - reformers 170, conservatives 45, and independents 10; 65 seats were up for runoff election on 5 May 2000 (reformers 52, conservatives 10, independents 3)

Judicial branch: Supreme Court Political parties and leaders: the following organizations appeared to have achieved considerable success at elections to the sixth Majlis in early 2000: Assembly of the Followers of the Imam's Line, Freethinkers' Front, Islamic Iran Participation Front, Moderation and Development Party, Servants of Construction Party, Society of Self-sacrificing Devotees Political pressure groups and leaders: active student groups include the pro-reform "Organization for Strengthening Unity" and "the Union of Islamic Student Societies'; groups that generally support the Islamic Republic include Ansar-e Hizballah, Mojahedin of the Islamic Revolution, Muslim Students Following the Line of the Imam, and the Islamic Coalition Association; opposition groups include the Liberation Movement of Iran and the Nation of Iran party; armed political groups that have been almost completely repressed by the government include Mojahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK), People's Fedayeen, Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan; the Society for the Defense of Freedom

Interesting...isn't it?

33 posted on 09/24/2002 12:25:21 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: ThomasJefferson
"You are certainly intitled to your opinion. Can I assume you advocate pre-emptive strikes against all regimes in the world who fit the same criteria?"

Actually, YES! Of course, the only other nation that comes near to fitting the appropriate category (having both biological weapons of mass destruction and a leader who is a big enough nutball to actually use them) is North Korea, and my impression is the Kim Il Jong isn't as big an unstable nutball as Saddam Hussein.

34 posted on 09/24/2002 12:25:30 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: ThomasJefferson
As Thomas Jefferson said: "it will be a subject for consideration whether, on satisfactory evidence that any tribe means to strike us, we shall not anticipate by giving them the first blow".

I consider Saddam's past acts- like the attempt on former president Bush- and his capabilities "sufficient evidence".
While I don't think it unreasonable to ask for more evidence, it seems unreasonable to assume that it will not be forthcoming when and if war is neccessary to remove Saddam.

35 posted on 09/24/2002 12:25:46 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: ThomasJefferson; justshe; MJY1288; Mo1; Poohbah; Texasforever; Kevin Curry; Cultural Jihad

36 posted on 09/24/2002 12:27:52 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: VaBthang4; xsmommy; hobbes1
OMG, you got to see this #36.
37 posted on 09/24/2002 12:29:21 PM PDT by NeoCaveman
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To: Wonder Warthog
Right, a pre-emptive strike on a country that borders China.
38 posted on 09/24/2002 12:29:33 PM PDT by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
Except for the innocent ones that got killed

So its better for everyone to be alive, but living under the Taliban, than for a relative handful to have been killed and the rest enjoying at least a respite from the Taliban.

39 posted on 09/24/2002 12:29:51 PM PDT by ExpandNATO
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To: ExpandNATO
I would suggest that you ask those living under the Taliban if they would rather be dead.
40 posted on 09/24/2002 12:31:36 PM PDT by stuartcr
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