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Scandals lead execs to 'Atlas Shrugged'
USA Today ^ | 9/23/02 | Del Jones

Posted on 09/24/2002 5:53:02 AM PDT by TomServo

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:39:58 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

In these post-Enron days of corporate scandal, some of the millions of copies of Atlas Shrugged that have been sold over 45 years are being dusted off by executives under siege by prosecutors, regulators, Congress, employees, investors, a Republican president, even terrorists.


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To: JuddFrye
Hey, why not Kevin Costner for the James Taggart role?
102 posted on 09/24/2002 2:09:18 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: TomServo
Atlas barfed
103 posted on 09/24/2002 2:21:23 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: raybbr
You are dead on. These jobs offer no "value add" and create no wealth. Those of us who produce goods everyday and find ourselves struggling against government regulations know how true Rand's words are. BTW, dealing with Euro-law is completely ridiculous. America is heading in that way I fear.
104 posted on 09/24/2002 2:21:32 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: TomServo
It's one thing to strive to achievem and be the engine of success for yourself and others, but it's quite another thing to take more money out of a company than one family can possibly need, while others struggle from paycheck to paycheck.

One of the things that made America great was that her capitalism was tempered by a moral people. Once morality is gone, and a CEO would willingly take hundreds of millions for himself without giving anything to charity, or the workers who support him, the system fails.

Unmitigated greed from CEO's could be blamed for the onset of socialism just as much as the statists who seek to implement it.

105 posted on 09/24/2002 2:26:47 PM PDT by copycat
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To: Misterioso
The second basic rule of economics is: "Second effects count." IIRC, the first rule described the supply/demand relationship, and the third rule was about the marginal propensity to consume. It's been a long time, but I think the correct answer was seventeen, or Tuesday, or something like that.

Unless you are retired and living in a stock-piled bunker, your choices in purchasing does have an effect, and subsequent effects, on the nature of your local economy. Declining property values, in depressed neighborhoods which once thrived, is a visible and prime example of the "second effects" principle.

People buying Japanese cars does not, alone, devastate the economy. Some things that really screw up productivity and the economic health:

It will be interesting to watch how well this "me first, I got mine, screw you" generation reacts in a depression which should rival that of the '30s. And what might that do to the economic value of your Japanese car (minus the wheels, glass, radio, etc.).

106 posted on 09/24/2002 3:04:08 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: copycat
Unmitigated greed from CEO's could be blamed for the onset of socialism just as much as the statists who seek to implement it.

I'm wondering, in your view, what would "mitigated greed" define? Are you saying that greed, "unmitigated," is evil and should be banished from human action? How would that be accomplished? Greed is a term that only came into usage after the term envy came along. They go together.

107 posted on 09/24/2002 3:06:23 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: meadsjn
Your four points are unassailable. I'll give this some more thought, since I was only wondering why, if my personal wealth remained, the overall wealth of the country would diminish. Back to the von Mises. <8^) BTW, I too am interested in the coming yuppie-melt.
108 posted on 09/24/2002 3:15:39 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Misterioso
I'm saying that once a person has enough money for himself and his family to be taken care of the rest of their lives, the moral thing to do is to give a huge chunk of their future earnings to charity or back to workers beneath them who deserve better compensation.

I'm saying that they should do it willingly out of a sense of morality, and that it should never be forced by government.

I'm saying that if the very well off do NOT give to others as the Bible asks them to do, they create a situation where others seek to redistribute their wealth, aka socialism.

109 posted on 09/24/2002 3:19:18 PM PDT by copycat
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To: Misterioso
.. the coming yuppie-melt.

Yep. Might be a good time to liquidate, or move all holdings to heavy metals (lead, brass, copper, steel, and such).

110 posted on 09/24/2002 3:21:22 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Misterioso
why, if my personal wealth remained, the overall wealth of the country would diminish

Sorry, I forgot that we were back in economics. I remember something about a "multiplier effect" being discussed with respect to money flow and value. This might be a huge factor in the differences, in stability, between a barter economy and one which uses a medium of exchange such as money.

Anyhow, when an economy is a net importer of goods, more money is going out of the economy than is coming in. The disparity in the net exchange of money causes a loss in benefit from the multiplier effect for the economy suffering the deficit.

Add to the equation that nefarious serpents of the left are strangling the industries which extract, process, and distribute natural resources, and for no good reason. This item here is proof alone that leftists are not just ignorant or incompetent; they are the pure, unadulterated personification of evil, but I digress.

There has to be someone with a better recollection of economics around here who could help sort out the missing pieces. It was not really my field, and my memory is gone.

111 posted on 09/24/2002 3:54:07 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: raybbr
Before I get accused of being a liberal troll let me tell you I vote a straight republican ticket.

At least you vote for the right people. That gives me some comfort.
112 posted on 09/24/2002 4:06:09 PM PDT by Lee_Atwater
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To: copycat
I'm saying that once a person has enough money for himself and his family to be taken care of the rest of their lives, the moral thing to do is to give a huge chunk of their future earnings to charity or back to workers beneath them who deserve better compensation.

Or he could what most people do and invest it. In new companies that provide new jobs (and consequently increase wages). In risky research and development of new technologies that everyone benefits from and takes for granted a decade later.

The accumulation of inordinate quantities of capital is a good thing. Nobody "deserves" anything, they earn it. Money goes where it is used most efficiently, which means those same people are likely to use it to gain even more capital for themselves and the people who work for them.

Virtually every great technology that has ever been developed over the last century was done so by individuals with obscene amounts of time and money on their hands. In the long run, the workers benefit less from charity-case wage increases than from the aggressive investment of that same money in new economic ventures. Improvements in standards of living will follow.

113 posted on 09/24/2002 4:16:27 PM PDT by tortoise
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To: MJemison
Val Kilmer was great as millionaire playboy Bruce Wayne. I think that makes him Francisco, not Hank Rearden.

Can we have Gene Hackman as either Midas Mulligan or Judge Naragansett?
114 posted on 09/24/2002 4:18:54 PM PDT by Norman Conquest
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To: brewcrew
Jeri Ryan as Dagny? Now I can't get that scene with the ruby necklace out of my mind... Curse you, brewcrew!
115 posted on 09/24/2002 4:21:54 PM PDT by Norman Conquest
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To: tortoise
Or he could what most people do and invest it. In new companies that provide new jobs (and consequently increase wages).

Agreed.

Just trying to point out that faith, hope, and charity are just as important as qualities of a moral society as greed and envy are traits of an immoral one.

Judging by persons who are willing to enrich themselves at THE EXPENSE of their own workers, I'd say we're riding the fence about now.

116 posted on 09/24/2002 4:24:53 PM PDT by copycat
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To: copycat
Just trying to point out that faith, hope, and charity are just as important as qualities of a moral society as greed and envy are traits of an immoral one.

Didn't you hear? The government does that job for the rich, with the scads of tax money the government takes from them for "the welfare of the people". Their personal involvement in the charity and morality of society has been deemed bad for the masses.

Only half kidding.

117 posted on 09/24/2002 4:30:45 PM PDT by tortoise
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To: Norman Conquest
Isn't it a great fit when you think about it?
118 posted on 09/24/2002 4:31:01 PM PDT by brewcrew
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To: scoopscandal
Oh dear, is George Clooney a leftist cheeseball? He probably is. They ALL are. Except Mel Gibson, and I don't think he's quite up for the role.
119 posted on 09/24/2002 4:40:46 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: brewcrew
A great fit? You're gonna need one humongous ruby. But I'm willing to check the fit over and over and over again, no atter how many adjustments it takes.
120 posted on 09/24/2002 4:48:01 PM PDT by Norman Conquest
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