New York Times Certain that Ukraine Sells Arms to Iraq

PRAVDA.Ru ^ | Sep, 24 2002 | Alexander Gorobets

[Jasonconley]

The American administration decided to suspend aid to Ukraine in the sum of tens of millions of dollars. This decision was made due to a growing suspicion: the USA suspects Ukraine of delivering defense technology to Iraq. The newspaper New York Times reported on Tuesday that the White House came to the conclusion that Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma personally approved of a plan to export up-to-date radar systems to Iraq. This conclusion was made because of conversations that was secretly taped in the Ukrainian president’s office. The tapes were recorded by a former security guard, major Nikolay Melnichenko, who later fled to the West.

[mac_truck]

exerpt from your link: ...In August of this year, Colombia inaugurated a new president: Alvaro Uribe, an independent, Oxford- and Harvard-trained former mayor and governor whose father was killed by the rebels and who has himself survived four assassination attempts. Uribe was elected with an unprecedented first-round majority after Colombia's four-year-old peace process collapsed earlier this year. Sweeping into office on a hard-line platform, the president-elect promised to provide Colombians with "democratic security" -- meaning a frontal assault on the country's two leftist guerrilla groups and, perhaps, its right-wing paramilitaries as well. Stopping these rebels will not be easy. Colombia's new president faces three main opponents: an 18,000-strong drug-financed insurgent group, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (known by its Spanish acronym, FARC); a 12,000-body paramilitary umbrella group, the United Self-Defense Groups of Colombia (AUC), also financed by drug money; and a dwindling leftist insurgency, the National Liberation Army (ELN), that still boasts 3,500-5,000 guerrillas.

sounds like the columbian government (with aid from the US) is going to take on all the narco-terrorists. thanks again for providing evidence to support that position.

[white trash redneck]

As the article also points out, the AUC gets support from the Army, and itself is involved in the drug trade. You're welcome.

[mac_truck]

um, where does the article say that? could you be a bit more specific?

[white trash redneck]

um, where does the article say that? could you be a bit more specific?

Colombia's new president faces three main opponents: an 18,000-strong drug-financed insurgent group, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (known by its Spanish acronym, FARC); a 12,000-body paramilitary umbrella group, the United Self-Defense Groups of Colombia (AUC), also financed by drug money; and a dwindling leftist insurgency, the National Liberation Army (ELN), that still boasts 3,500-5,000 guerrillas * * * the FARC and the AUC support themselves primarily through the coca and poppy industries * * * because the paramilitaries get support from the army, the AUC has grown in strength * * * In the long term, however, it is the paramilitaries, who aim to take over key territories and sectors of the police, military, and Congress, that pose the greatest threat to Colombian democracy and U.S. interests. If the AUC succeeds in its drive for control, the United States and Colombia's neighbors could soon face a country ruled by right-wing, drug-financed, extreme nationalists * * * The United States, through electronic surveillance, can effectively monitor paramilitary movements and track the close working relationship between the AUC and the Colombian military * * * With the AUC commanding the support of 20 to 30 percent of the new Colombian Congress elected last spring, it is hard to imagine how the new government will be able to increase the funds used for fighting the paramilitary forces or to push for political and rural reforms

[FreeReign]

New York Times Certain that Ukraine Sells Arms to Iraq

I heard that the Dutch had a couple of Hans for sale too. :|

[maestro]

Maybe,.....the Ukraine will be turned into "glass"....?

/sarcasm

[maestro]

Maybe,.....the Ukraine will be turned into "glass"....?

/sarcasm

[Consort]

Ukraine

[white trash redneck]

Are any of you suggesting that we should NOT try and prevent the Ukraine or anyone else from selling nukes to Iraq?

Can't speak for the rest, but that's not what I'm suggesting.

[mac_truck]

Columbian government = Columbian criminals.

Lots of smoke and mirrors, but you haven't even come close to defending this statement. Elements of the Columbian Army have links to an umbrella group of para-militarys (UAC) that support their anti-communist efforts by 'taxing' local drug shipments. How does this make the columbian government = columbian criminals?

Does newly elected Columbian president Uribe come from the ranks of the military? (No) Has he sided with the paramilitary elements in his country against the United States? (No) Is he willing to cooperate with the US and extradite the head of the UAC as requested by the Justice department this morning? (Yes)

Your analysis of the situation in Columbia is weak and leaves much to be desired. Unless you can support and defend statements like the one above, you're better off not making them in the first place. Don't you agree?

[white trash redneck]

I'd say that support from the military and 20-30% of the Colombian legislature counts as government support. Don't you agree?

[mac_truck]

Does it help to know that Patrick Leahy shares your position?

You're invited to continue this debate over HERE

[white trash redneck]

As the article you've posted says, "Some in Congress, which must approve aid to Colombia, have raised questions about ties between the paramilitary and the Colombian government as Bogota battles leftist rebels."

You make my point. Thank you.

As regards your comment about Leahy, even a blind squirrel can trip over an acorn by chance once in a while.

[mac_truck]

Lol...Well lets see if you and your squirrelly friends can avoid tripping over this acorn