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To: Enterprise
Forgive me, but is there any information that she is an "Irish Tracveler" as opposed to a petty shoplifter? This is what I mean, people see a video and have now decided they know all about the deep criminal conspiracy of which this woman is a part. If there is solid info on this, that is interesting and I apologise. Otherwise, I have to liken this to the folks who had figured out exactly where the three alligator alley moslems were going to board a submarine to be secreted back to an overseas Al Queda base. This is EXACTLY why we have the presumption of innocence and burden of proof. I wonder how many wonderful people out there are alraedy willing to stone this kid's mother?
20 posted on 09/23/2002 4:38:35 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Williams
>>I wonder how many wonderful people out there are alraedy willing to stone this kid's mother?<<

Now there's an idea.

23 posted on 09/23/2002 4:40:26 PM PDT by SerpentDove
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To: Williams
Apology accepted. She said she was an Irish Traveler during an interview.
25 posted on 09/23/2002 4:41:16 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: Williams
Her lawyer admitted in a public statement at a news conference that she is a "Traveler." Naturally, I don't have the specific conference he spoke at.
29 posted on 09/23/2002 4:44:57 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Williams
"the deep criminal conspiracy"

I am not saying that this is part of a "deep criminal conspiracy." I am suggesting that this may simply be a way of life for these people.

33 posted on 09/23/2002 4:47:40 PM PDT by Enterprise
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By TOM COYNE
.c The Associated Press

SOUTH BEND, Ind. (Sept. 23) - The woman caught on video beating her 4-year-old daughter in a department store parking lot will probably plead guilty and throw herself on the mercy of the court, her lawyer said Monday.

Madelyne Gorman Toogood, 25, was arraigned on a felony charge of battery to a child, and a magistrate entered an innocent plea on her behalf.

Her attorney, Steven Rosen, said there was no point in trying to challenge the surveillance videotape in court.

''I don't think there's anything, any expert of any degree in any type of credibility that can do anything about that tape. It is what it is,'' he said.

''We will probably enter a guilty plea and throw ourselves on the mercy of the court,'' he said after the arraignment.

Earlier Monday, a Probate Court judge ordered that Toogood's daughter, Martha, remain in foster care in the meantime, and he gave child-protection officials two weeks to recommend who should care for the girl.

If convicted, Toogood could get up to three years in prison. She faces a hearing on Oct. 7.

The mother of three had no comment as she left court. She remained free on $5,000 bail.

''People might think I'm a monster, but I've been a mother for six years, and no harm has come to my children before this, never,'' Toogood told CNN earlier Monday. ''I'm sorry. That's all I can say.''

A doctor examined the girl and found no medical problems and no long-term signs of abuse, authorities said.

Toogood told reporters Sunday she hit her daughter in the head and back and pulled her hair but did not punch her. On the video of the Sept. 13 incident, which has been televised nationally, Toogood appears to make punching motions toward her daughter inside a sport utility vehicle.

''Martha didn't deserve what she got,'' Toogood said over the weekend. ''I just lost my temper.''

Rosen said he believed the hitting took place because Martha misbehaved in the store, taking toys out of packages and wandering away, prompting store employees to page Toogood twice.

Toogood said she hopes to be reunited with her daughter and that she, her daughter, and her husband, John, plan to start parenting classes. ''Anything that they want us to do, we will do,'' Toogood said.

She said her two young sons are staying with family.

Toogood said she and her husband have been living in Mishawaka for about six months. She said they are Irish Travelers - a nomadic group that police say has been linked to fraudulent home repair.

By some estimates, 7,000 Travelers live in the United States - most in Texas and South Carolina - about 40,000 live in Ireland and England. The Travelers began migrating to the United States more than 100 years ago.

Toogood's sister also was arraigned Monday on a charge of assisting a criminal.

43 posted on 09/23/2002 4:55:14 PM PDT by Spunky
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