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ALERT: Hurricane Isidore forecasted to have at least 150 MPH winds within 72 hours

Posted on 09/21/2002 3:05:23 PM PDT by newsperson999

Statement as of 5:00 PM EDT on September 21, 2002

Air Force recon data indicate major Hurricane Isidore has continued to rapidly strengthen and the central pressure has dropped 21 mb in the past 13 hours. A pressure of 946 mb generally corresponds to a maximum wind of about 117 kt. However...the eye is open to the west and there may be a lag in the wind field. Also...dropsonde data indicated about 105 kt surface winds...but winds just a few hundred above the surface have been as high as 130 kt. The three satellite agencies reported a Dvorak satellite intensity estimate of t6.0...or 115 kt...while the 3-hour objective Dvorak T-number was also t6.0. Based on this information...the initial intensity was increased to 110 kt.

The initial motion estimate is 270/3. Recon fix positons since about 12z indicate Isidore has actually remained nearly stationary the past 6 hours...but right over some of the hottest water in the Atlantic Basin. Steering currents remain weak and are forecast by all of the global to remain weak or even get weaker. Isidore remains caught between a mid- to upper-level low east of Florida and one to the west over the Bay of Campeche. A weak and narrow low- to mid-level ridge extends across the northern Gulf of Mexico coast from Florida westward to Texas. Given the relative weakness of this ridge...only 5880 meters at 500 mb...it would not take much of a shortwave trough to erode it and allow Isidore to drift slowly poleward. All of the NHC model guidance...except LBAR...keeps Isidore moving on a slow west or west-southwest track through the forecast period. The AVN and GFDL are very similar in hooking Isidore to the southwest around the western Yucatan Peninsula in 36 to 48 hours. This may be some artifact of terrain interaction which I have ignored for this advisory package since all of the global models show no significant ridging north of isiodre to push the system to southwest. The forecast calls for a slow...less than 6 kt...motion throughout the forecast period with a slight west-northwestward motion after 48 hours as a strong shortwave trough drops down the west side of the broad longwave trough...which is expected to erode the weak ridge over Texas and the northwest Gulf of Mexico and allow Isidore to gain some latitude. However... the slower Isidore moves during the next 36 to 48 hours will determine just how far north and the cyclone will move in the longer time periods beyond 72 hours. The good news is that it appears that Isidore is not going to go anywhere fast. The bad news is that it will remain over very hot water.

The central pressure has dropped 21 mb in the past 13 hours. A typical rapid intensification period. This trend would normally continue for another 12 hours or so...but radar and recon data indicate that the eye is open to the west and that an eyewall replacement cycle may be starting. As such...the official intensity forecast is held below the ships intensity model which brings Isidore to 135 kt in 36 hours and 140 kt in 60 hours. This type of intensification is certainly possible given the low shear...less than 6 kt...and high SSTs...about 30c/86f. However...predicting internal convective changes is nealry impossible so there could be flucuations by as much 10 kt either way from the offical intensity forecast. Some coastal upwelling may weaken the hurricane slightly as it moves west of 88w longitude...but then some restrengtnening is forecast after 48 hours when Isidore is forecast to move back over warmer water.

Forecaster Stewart

forecast positions and Max winds

initial 21/2100z 21.9n 86.2w 110 kts
12hr VT 22/0600z 21.9n 87.0w 120 kts
24hr VT 22/1800z 21.9n 88.0w 125 kts
36hr VT 23/0600z 21.9n 89.2w 125 kts
48hr VT 23/1800z 22.0n 90.3w 125 kts
72hr VT 24/1800z 22.5n 92.5w 130 kts


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To: jpsb
Seen it before with Allen. At least I have a sail boat nearby

Hrm ... I've got a couple flats of 6" deep blue bead board in the shed ... same stuff we used to float the palm trees and the "pirate island" in Ann Rice's swimming pool for a party once.

I wonder if the dog's up for a little barge action if worse comes to worst? He's a swimmer, not a surfer ... =)

121 posted on 09/21/2002 6:57:27 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Ditter
Name the big hurricanes that came ashore in the U.S. after Sept. 25 (which is the earliest time this one could be expected to hit the Gulf Coast).

There are a few but not many. Let's give this one a couple more days before we hit the panic button. Fortunately, the odds don't favor a Gulf Coast hit this late in the season. Could happen but too early for panic.

122 posted on 09/21/2002 6:57:37 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: dennis1x
Water temps in northen gulf are 82-83 or so..still strong enough to maintain a cat 4 given good upper level conditions.
Temps are 85-86 where the storm is now
looking at the latest Sat shot this is a cat 4 storm, my guess 135 winds pressure 942...moving 280 at 6-7 mph
123 posted on 09/21/2002 7:00:05 PM PDT by newsperson999
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To: dennis1x
I am going to go out on a limb here, but due to the rotation of the earth I would expect a WNW ->NW track given very weak steering cuurents. Am I wrong?
124 posted on 09/21/2002 7:00:08 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: Dog Gone; 2sheep
Just out of curiousity, would it have any signficance if I have a dream tonight that you caught leprosy and your typing fingers fell off?

projection

6b : the attribution of one's own ideas, feelings, or attitudes to other people or to objects; especially : the externalization of blame, guilt, or responsibility as a defense against anxiety

http://www.m-w.com/

125 posted on 09/21/2002 7:01:32 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: jpsb
no, spin of the earth doesnt factor in. reason for continued slow west/nw movement is weak high pressure ridge to the north of the system.
126 posted on 09/21/2002 7:02:00 PM PDT by dennis1x
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To: SamAdams76
Fortunately, the odds don't favor a Gulf Coast hit this late in the season. Could happen but too early for panic.

There's some false logic there, Sam. Most years we don't have a storm this big in the Gulf in late September.

It would just as fair to ask you how many category 4 hurricanes that were in the Gulf after September 25 MISSED the United States.

127 posted on 09/21/2002 7:02:09 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: SamAdams76
Wrong again Sam, for people who live in low coastal areas, its really not too early to begin hurricane preparations. Long before a storm comes ashore roads are flooded & people can't leave. By the time a storm is headed to you the stores are a mad house & the traffic is gridlocked. You can't buy a battery, a loaf of bread or a bottle of water. People who wait to get out have been know to spend the storm sitting in their cars on blocked roads & having to be rescued.
128 posted on 09/21/2002 7:03:28 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Main Entry: kook
Pronunciation: 'kük
Function: noun
Etymology: by shortening & alteration from cuckoo
Date: 1960
: one whose ideas or actions are eccentric, fantastic, or insane : SCREWBALL
129 posted on 09/21/2002 7:04:44 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
sams biggest debate weakness:

THE STORM IS ALREADY THERE!!!

we arent trying to predict if a major hurricane is going to develop in the gulf.
130 posted on 09/21/2002 7:04:58 PM PDT by dennis1x
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To: newsperson999
Thanks for the 411. Will be heading down to SPI on Tuesday to take care of business. Anyone recognize this wierdo?...L~


131 posted on 09/21/2002 7:06:43 PM PDT by Bad~Rodeo
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To: jpsb
Hey you live in San Leon, what are you 3 ft above sea leavel, 5 ft above? Please tell me you will get out early if there is any chance this storm is going to hit our area. Forget the riding it out on the sail boat stuff.
132 posted on 09/21/2002 7:08:07 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: newsperson999
Latest European model just in has the storm hitting LA on thursday..Latest SHIP model maintains a 140 MPH hurricane for 3 days..this is down from 155 though..
133 posted on 09/21/2002 7:09:21 PM PDT by newsperson999
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To: Bad~Rodeo
I know that dude. He's about to kick Saddam's butt.
134 posted on 09/21/2002 7:10:36 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: SamAdams76
Preparations are different from panic. Panic is what happens when you don't prepare.
135 posted on 09/21/2002 7:10:36 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: SamAdams76
I think that is why they originally used to name them after women until the PC crowd made them alternate the genders.

So stupid.

If men want equal time, they can have runaway trains that jump their rails every so often or meteors who follow a flight path with only occasional disruptions to form.

Hurricanes are decidedly feminine in many respects.

136 posted on 09/21/2002 7:11:08 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: SamAdams76
If men want equal time

Didn't mean to give the impression the "equal time" in naming hurricanes was anything but yet another feminist rejection of reality.

I'm sure men could not have cared less.

137 posted on 09/21/2002 7:12:03 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Dog Gone
lol ...
138 posted on 09/21/2002 7:13:45 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Ditter
Pardon me for appearing callous (I really don't mean to be) but shouldn't people along the Gulf Coast already be prepared for a hurricane? Being a New Englander, I am always prepared for a winter storm. During the winter months, I already have batteries on hand, bottled water, firewood stacked, and so on. So when a storm is imminent, I never have to make that mad dash to the stores.

Granted, there are always some last minute things to be done to "batten down the hatches" but those people are going to get at least a 72 hour notice before (and if) this hurricane hits.

139 posted on 09/21/2002 7:14:31 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76
and your point is?

Should we shut down this discussion thread because you find it silly?

140 posted on 09/21/2002 7:15:47 PM PDT by NautiNurse
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