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To: RGSpincich
The platform of the Kansas Libertarian Party includes an effort to get CPS under control. We want no kid taken from its parent without full due process including a jury trial.

You fellows are just not thinking this through very well. Let us see how you will feel if your kids or grandkids are taken by CPS for frivilous reasons and you go broke fighting to get the kids back from a system that holds all the cards.

Do not let the details of a single case warp your standards of right and wrong.

31 posted on 09/21/2002 3:44:36 PM PDT by Mike4Freedom
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To: Mike4Freedom
I have to say that I don't really know what transpired in that parking lot just from looking at a video tape. The mother may or may not be a child abuser. However, I have to agree with you on many levels.

If you believe that the government, state, federal, or otherwise, has the power to remove child from natural parent, then anything else you claim to believe as an supposed individualistic, non-intrusive government "conservative" is meaningless. If this mother is guilty of aggravated assault, then arrest her and charge her with aggravated assault. If she is convicted, then she should go to prison, and the child goes into the sole custody of the father or next of kin, aka closest living relative. If the mom is found not guilty, then she is not guilty, and she goes home with her daughter. At NO TIME should a child be in the custody of a government agency. Government has not been delegated that authority by the people.

35 posted on 09/21/2002 3:48:43 PM PDT by southern rock
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To: Mike4Freedom
Do not let the details of a single case warp your standards of right and wrong.

You are making this a CPS issue. This is no frivilous case, no systematic starving of kids to prove or anything of the sort. This is a questionable merchandise transaction turn felony child abuse with eyewitnesses. I don't care who takes her kids away from her and places them in a safe environment. Just do it! She needs to be dealt with severely, if it's CPS who does it, so be it.

Don't think patrons in the parking lot who witnessed the beating and have seen the tape will not come forward.

BTW the child is with Dad not the CPS. Mom in custody.

49 posted on 09/21/2002 4:08:05 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Mike4Freedom
Do not let the details of a single case warp your standards of right and wrong.

You're telling us that Kohl's should have minded their own business while this female beat the crap out of a little kid.

Your "excuse" for such a stupid statement is that the CPS are "gestapo," which is also a stupid statement -- even though I grant there have been too many CPS excesses.

And you're still defending your stupid statements, even when it's clear that they're stupid. If I were you, I'd realize I was already in a hole -- and that it'd be best to stop digging.

68 posted on 09/21/2002 4:40:36 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Mike4Freedom
You are hillarious. We (the freepig audience) are focused on ONE single issue. That a Mom beat the snot out of the kid. YOU on the other hand, take this tragedy and try (an fail) to exploit it for the "Kansas Libiloser Party". Give it a rest, you are not welcome here.

Semper Disgusted

72 posted on 09/21/2002 4:54:23 PM PDT by Trident/Delta
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To: Mike4Freedom
"Do not let the details of a single case warp your standards of right and wrong."

You're talking apples and oranges here, and you full well know it.

This all has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the out-of-control CPS structure in this country (and it IS out of control). It has EVERYTHING to do with a "mother" beating the living s**t out of a toddler in the parking lot of a department store.

The bitch deserves to lose her kids AND her freedom.

142 posted on 09/21/2002 7:22:33 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Mike4Freedom
You fellows are just not thinking this through very well. Let us see how you will feel if your kids or grandkids are taken by CPS for frivilous reasons and you go broke fighting to get the kids back from a system that holds all the cards.

Mike,you have very valid points,and there is no doubt there is a LOT of truth in them. None the less,sometimes children ARE being criminally abused. Let's even go ahead and make the wild assumption (obviously wrong) that CRS is wrong in 99 out of 100 cases. This does nothing to alter the fact that they are right in that one case.

Nope,ya gotta seperate the wheat from the chaf. Dump all over them for the wrong they do,and insist they do right.

Do not let the details of a single case warp your standards of right and wrong.

This seems to be what you are doing.

143 posted on 09/21/2002 7:23:43 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: Mike4Freedom
The platform of the Kansas Libertarian Party includes an effort to get CPS under control. We want no kid taken from its parent without full due process including a jury trial.

Okay, so let's say a little girl is being raped and beaten by her father. You want her to stay with her father until the trial is over, even though she'll have to testify against him? Pedophiles will love this change in the law!

255 posted on 09/22/2002 12:38:07 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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