***The Giza Power Plant: What Was Behind The Door***

Stardate: 0209.21

[The Wizard]

For those of you who just can't stomach the nonsense they try to tell us about the Great Pyramid, welcome home. If I had my way every child in school would have to learn what Chris Dunn teaches us about the world; yes, that's right, about the world.

The lesson is more profound than the Great Pyramid, because it shows us 4 disturbing things, conculsively:
1. We've been lied too for decades about what happened in Egypt, the tools they had and how they accomplished the many things they did
2. That a great civilization existed and has since perished, and that we need to be careful about what we accept as fact: common sense HAS value.
3. That we have yet to reach a technology that was once possesed here on earth thousands of years ago.
4. That many things told to us as facts, are not.

This is a tremendous book, and I wish I had the ability to put it on TV at 8 pm at night and draw the attention to it that it needs, because mankind will take a giant leap forward when that finally happens.

[discostu]

Hey even your own guy says they weighed around 2.5 tons.
http://www.gizapower.com/html/advanced/advanced.html (first full paragraph after the picture labeled "quarry marks on Khafre's granite"), are you sure you read his book?

[discostu]

I will say this for your guy, he doesn't quit. Here's his "prediction":
http://www.gizapower.com/articles/door.html
In the Giza Power Plant, I made the prediction that behind Gantenbrink's door would be found a vertical shaft that transcended to a bedrock chamber beneath the Great Pyramid. The bedrock chamber, I proposed, would house the mechanism necessary to pump chemicals to the Queen's Chamber shafts to sustain the production of hydrogen for the power plant.

Here's what was actually found:
http://www.gizapower.com/newpage2.htm
The opening beyond the "door" was no bigger than a breadbox. I don't know why it is referred to as a chamber, While its size fills your TV screen, it is very small. The exploration of this space was limited both in time and in the functionality of the robot's lights and camera. The field of vision through the wide angle lens covered the floor and the opposite wall, but there did not appear to be any details of the ceiling in view. There was a speculation on the Ma'at message board that the ceiling was in view and that this space seemed to be comprised of an upside down box. If the ceiling of this space is indeed in the following picture, then the ceiling is much lower in this space than in the Southern Shaft.

And yet he still claims to have come out ahead. Largely obsessing with a line in the floor. More proof that there's no disuading a crackpot, even when they're proven to be hideously wrong they claim victory.

[RightWhale]

That's a pretty entertaining slide show. Easy to see why Zahi Aiwass is anxious about excavating the ruins before everything is paved over and swarmed with tour buses.

[The Wizard]

with all due respect, something not always found here, no amount of slaves moved those stones.....read a little, even if you believe they COULD move them, (which I don't) they couldn't make the turn to go up a ramp....the ropes, and roller system, wouldn't work....

[discostu]

It's quite possible to move these stones around. The hardest part would be the bracing of the scaffolding to hold the damn things up, with the right pully system you could move those buggers around like puppets. Stomp your feet all you want but moving multi-ton objects just ain't that hard, it's all about torque and leverage, and that's what pullies and roller give you.

[The Wizard]

some people need to hold on to certain beliefs, others have a more open mind to new and different approaches.......logic is a constant thing, and it is logic that proves some ideas and disproves others

The Giza Power Plant doesn't need anyone's approval at FreeRepublic.com to be logical, because it is the first and only theory to explain "all" facets of the structure.....

If you care enough to read Chris Dunn's book, you MIGHT actually learn something, MAYBE.

you may not, but that doesn't make others wrong......

[RightWhale]

it's all about torque and leverage

It's more a matter of time than tonnage. They had to complete the whole structure in 30 years, supposedly, which, no matter how many worked on it would present problems. There would have been more than one set of block and tackle; they would have been fairly close together all around the structure or along one side, all hauling blocks at once. Dragging blocks from the quarry wouldn't have been a problem since they have space to move, but getting up the pyramid would be tight quarters. Coordinating which block goes where and when would have been a logistical nightmare.

[discostu]

Check out here:
http://www.esscodist.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/page20.html
Pullies rates safe to 6000 pounds (or 3 tons, more than enough to move most of the blocks).
Here's some cool pulley systems:
http://pre1900prints.com/Architecture/Pullies1764.htm
As for moving big things, the generators in the Hoover Dam make the blocks of the pyramid seem like decks of cards, and we managed to move them around:
http://www.troutman.org/trips/vegas-gc/hoover1.html
http://www.lvlife.com/apr2001/feature_the_energy_fix.html

[discostu]

Why should we read the book, he was wrong about what should have been behind the door, his theory is blown to pieces, and you steadfastly refuse to supply ANY supporting evidence explaining, even in short form, the serious questions that arrize from the theory. He's toast. And he's toast by LOGIC.

[discostu]

But I believe you'r the one that pointed out that simply RUNNING Egypt at that time was a logistical nightmare. Once you can move the blocks it's just a matter of putting them in the right place at the right time, which really is a matter of getting them in the right order on the ground and sending them up the ramp in that order. We do parking at the county fair the same way, each car get's directed to the next spot, once you get in that line where you'll park is predestined. Of course there's more than one set of block and tackles, to me the hardest part is getting the first blocks in place, they'll provide the anchors for both the scaffolding and the pulley system once they're in place.

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

Another thing that's laughable is to suggest that men moved these 20 ton blocks over sand with wooden rollers....they showed them doing this on the TV special with tiny little blocks that was a couple of hundred pounds and they were struggling......

That's only because they didn't have overseers using rods and whips.

[RightWhale]

A logistical nightmare for sure. Both running the Empire and building the Great Pyramid. But some people like problems like this. I'm sure that we could build another Great Pyramid now if we wanted to, with or without power assist. Probably in less time, to greater precision, and with fewer than 20,000 slaves. Paying minimum wage to so many for 30 years would take an act of Congress. $12 billion or so. Like building the ISS.

[KneelBeforeZod]

I even doubt they knew what the wheel looked like back then, much less know how to use it.

Now thats a pretty odd thing to say, since they have found chariots in Egypt older than the great pyramid.

[RWG]

Yeah, well I never heard of the Cairo 500.

[joanil]

Still, one must wonder at the massive multi-ton slabs of granite that were placed one set upon the other at the center of the pyramid just so. Imagine trying to 'block and tackle' or push such huge slabs of granite up the surface of the pyramid to a height of 20 plus stories! How then did they use 'compound multiple pulleys' to get those beautiful massive granite slabs into place? It is amazing enough that they could cut and transport these huge slabs of granite to support the roof of the pyramid. Even more amazing is that the builders of the pyramid knew that they could create a multiple spaced hollow atrium in the center of the pyramid that would support the entire weight of the thousands, no... millions of pounds of thrust with gravity that all the stone above would weigh. And then make the structure stand fast and strong for milleniums! The very fact that they could build a everlasting monument/ or massive power plant is not inconceivable in my mind. It is there! It has stood the test of time! And I do not believe it was just a tomb. There has never been a body of any kind ever found in Giza (except perhaps one of the raider/bandits). It is something far greater, something far more majestic....a lost technology? Yes, perhaps it was. And perhaps it was a far grander civilization than we have amongst us today....perhaps we are too proud to accept the fact that maybe....just maybe something far greater preceeded what we witness with our senses in this plane of time. Oh, by the way, the Builders of the pyramid did not build it to 'figure out pi' .....they already knew 'pi' and exploited it freely as any superior civilization was apt to do. Just like we humbly accept 'pi' and its ratio into our "currently civilized" world.

[HeadOn]

You are right, of course, there was plenty for Pharoh to do...although I'm not completely sold on the Mexican connection...

My point was that things were different then. With all that wealth at his disposal, it would only be natural to be able to command huge projects. Servants/slaves worked or were killed. If Pharoh wanted it done - it got done, even if he commanded a sand pit be dug one shovel full at a time, with each shovel of sand carried in a little pink basket. And there were no conflicts in schedule for those tasked to get it done. They truly had nothing else to do - or, more correctly, were not allowed to do anything else.

We are a microwave society with little, if any, long term vision. Would you not agree, that in the time of ancient Egypt, it was much more common to devote individual lives or entire segments of populations to accomplishing tasks - even if a man's task were to cut and gather papyrus reeds from sunup until sundown, 7 days a week, from the time he was born until he fell over dead?

[discostu]

McDonald's could do it, nationally they employ a lot more than 20,000 people, most earning minimum wage. Actually when you compare it to things like The Empire State Building, The World Trade Center, and even the transcontinental railroad, Giza looses some of it's luster, those were all built at astronomical rates with fewer people. And the technology really isn't what allowed these things to go up so fast (when you get right down to it building is still building and technology hasn't altered what's done very much, it's altered the materials used a lot, but not how you move them around and put them together), they were built fast because people sat down and figured out the logistical problems and came up with truly innovative solutions that allowed maximum efficiency. Using modern techniques I think we could do it in 5 or 6 years using only a couple thousand total workers.

[discostu]

The generators in Hoover Dam were lowered from a crane (which is basically a REALLY BIG block and tackle system) the apex of which was almost 20 stories above where the generators were going, the most off center of the generators is 3/4" off (History Channel, Modern Marvels, usually shows up in Heavy Metal Week because of the crane). One thing I've learned when studying massive buildings: never under estimate the power of brute force and ignorance. As long as you're too dumb to know that what you're doing is impossible, and you've got yourself some strong backs to do it with, there's nothing people can't do. More proof that cost accountants have ruined America (their specialty is dispelling ignorance).