Women Believed to be members of Irish Travelers (Woman Taped Beating Child an "Irish Gypsy")

WNDU-TV, South Bend, Indiana ^ | September 20, 2002

[Shermy]

New information on Gorman; sister bails out of jail

Breakthrough in child beating case

Police believe that Gorman's sister,
Margaret Daley, is lying about
Gorman's whereabouts

Police are still searching
for Martha Toogood

[Shermy]

Ping.

[jlogajan]

The gang leader:

[MHGinTN]

Here in East Tennessee we have regular visitations from the Travelers out of South Carolina. A very criminal fraud oriented bunch! I hope this little girl is still alive.

[Reagan is King]

That's a strange story! I live in Texas and they say there is a camp of gypsies just outside of my town (I've never been out there to see the camp). The word is that they live in dumpy trailers but drive luxury cars. I wonder if they are part of this group?

[Humidston]

BINGO! We were right!

To all, Howlin and I guessed as much last night.

BTW, my former son-in-law used to have a coin and jewelry store and when those people hit the door it was chaos! They'd come in - at least 6-8 at a time, move in several different directions, pick up and move stuff, steal and move on. Reminded me of a herd of locusts when I saw them while visiting him one day. (And store owners can spot them a mile away!)

[widowithfoursons]

But the video did not convince me that the child was hurt. Tell me more about these "Travelers", or Gypsies? I was in SC for 7 years and never ran into one.

[nutmeg]

FYI

[Cultural Jihad]

We're gratified to learn you are apparently able to derive some jaded humor from this story of child abuse. Little Martha's horrific torment was not in vain afterall. You said you are a self-avowed libertarian?

[Shermy]

But the video did not convince me that the child was hurt.

Kid popped back up into the seat like it was regular business.

[widowithfoursons]

So what do you make of it?

[Kryptonite]

[republicman]

Yet more evidence that crime is largely a cultural/ subcultural phenomenon rather than a reaction to poverty or "oppression".

[jlogajan]

[Shermy]

"So what do you make of it?"

Didn't look like the girl did anything to incite it, unless she said something. Just getting in the car. and the beating went on long time. And with the arm swinging motions of the mom, it sure looked brutal to me, no matter what the kid did. But then it was odd the way the girl seemed to agilely get up from the floor to the seat.

Hard for me to imagine that if blows were landed, especially the big ones, that kid would be so agile. Unless the blows, or the big ones were just threats, perhaps a cultural conditioning? Or the girl is pretty damn used to it - trained to take it in that culture or family.

[Maximum Leader]

Heck I grew up in Georgia and we knew about the Gypsies over in South Carolina.

There is a big community of them near Aiken. Frankly they have to travel to the midwest to pull off their scams because everyone around here knows about them (and their alleged inbredness, they tend to only marry other Travelers).

I remember a co-worker from Iowa talking about his grandmother back home being cheated by some roofing scam. When I asked the guy if the roofers were from South Carolina. He's like, wow how did you know that!
:o)

[Shermy]

From an Athens, Georgia paper in 2000:

Irish Travellers' history as storied as group

Hompage of an Irish Traveller, with interesting stuff including MIDI music links.

www.travellersrest.org

[Kryptonite]

My heart goes out to the precious, innocent, beautiful child. But I've been scarred by Notre Dame fans over the years, and well, with this poorly-written article and the Lucky Charms guy, the rest is history!

[gg188]

Irish Travelers

Four main Irish Traveler communities are identifiable in the United States: those who reside in the area of North Augusta, South Carolina, those from Memphis, Tennessee., the Texas Travelers and the Northern Travelers in the area of New York, New Jersey and Delaware. Scottish Travelers live and work especially in the Appalachian States. The men are still itinerant in the sense that their work takes them away from home for many months at a time, but they have a home base where the women and children stay during the school year. For example, the community of Irish Travelers in North Augusta, South Carolina live in an area called Murphy's Village surrounding St. Edward's Catholic Church. The village is named after the local parish priest who took an interest in them and convinced them to buy property in the area where they have built their homes or established their trailers.

http://www.nccbuscc.org/mrs/pcmr/gypsy.htm#irish

[gg188]

South Carolina's Top Ten Most Outrageous Cases of Insurance Fraud in 2000

Irish Traveler's - 3 Irish Travelers pled guilty to making false statements on an elderly woman who had a tracheotomy due to throat cancer. They stated in life insurance applications that she was in good health and that they were related! They admitted that they were not related to her and that her health condition was not good.

http://www.scinsnews.com/fraudtop102000.html