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1 posted on 09/20/2002 12:53:12 PM PDT by ZGuy
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I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but I think a man needs to know if he impregnated someone. I don't think it's fair right now, some men might want their child.
2 posted on 09/20/2002 12:58:15 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: Saundra Duffy
Ping
3 posted on 09/20/2002 12:58:53 PM PDT by ZGuy
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regarding Deborah Marks: The late Bugs Bunny said it best: "what a maroon!"

Oh, wait. This is Florida. Never mind.
4 posted on 09/20/2002 12:59:31 PM PDT by RobRoy
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Ping

Thought you might find this article interesting.
5 posted on 09/20/2002 1:00:29 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: ZGuy
Abortion though, of course, no questions asked.
6 posted on 09/20/2002 1:02:26 PM PDT by onedoug
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Colleran said she'd have to disclose "basically everything about my sexual history, within the time that I conceived. And I think this is disgusting, it makes me feel very ashamed."

So, Colleran has decided not to place one of the ads. "It is something that should be between me and the person I shared it with,

If our culture had encouraged her to feel ashamed BEFORE THE FACT, perhaps she wouldn't be in this predicament in the first place. Colleran seems to think that everything in life must accomodate her every urge. Well, acts have consequences.

That being said, I do thing the ad thing is not a good idea. They could have a register that men who sleep around yet want to know if they fathered a kid (weird situation in and of itself) can check. If they spread their DNA around and do not check then too bad for them. But at least it isn't in the newspaper. That does seem a bit much.

Added to this, however, should be the option for the man to "choose not to be ready." He should be able to say "I am 18 and not financially or emotionally ready" just like the mother. Then advertise THAT! Men get off too easy, but women make it too EASY for them.

All the twisted consequences of the new moral relativism.

A rapist should never be a father in the legal sense. It is crazy to not make an exception for that.

9 posted on 09/20/2002 1:10:55 PM PDT by RAT Patrol
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She should be ashamed, for being such a despicable whore.
10 posted on 09/20/2002 1:14:55 PM PDT by montag813
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I don't like this law, but if they don't do this, then lawmakers must make it impossible for the father to show up later and 'annul' the adoption. It's not in the best interests of the child to have him/her in a loving, secure home, then have his/her world turned upside down by some guy who suddenly finds out or takes an interest in the fact that he is a sperm donor, er, father.
21 posted on 09/20/2002 2:43:18 PM PDT by MEGoody
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Colleran said she doesn't know who the father is, only that he was a stranger she met in a bar.

Slut.

22 posted on 09/20/2002 2:43:19 PM PDT by ikka
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>>Colleran said she'd have to disclose "basically everything about my sexual history, within the time that I conceived. And I think this is disgusting, it makes me feel very ashamed." <<

As well she should...

30 posted on 09/20/2002 3:29:42 PM PDT by Jim Noble
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I fully agree men should be informed they are going to be fathers. However, the way Florida is going about notifying fathers is wrong.

First, any woman putting a child up for adoption (outside of cases of rape) should be forced, under penalty of law for perjury, to name whom she believes the father and then contact this person/people.

In cases where the woman does not know who the father is (yes, this is a slut, outside of rape, regardless of how anyone tries to justify it) an ad should be run in the paper BUT without names. An ad such as "At such and such date, at so and so bar, one night stand with a man wearing these clothes etc, resulted in a pregnancy" then give the "father" a certain amount of time to come forward. No reason to name names to do this.

In cases where the woman does know whom the father is, it should be her responsibility to inform him or the pregnancy and then the state should have him either petition for full parental rights or to sign off acknowledgment of the adoption.

That is fair to all, protect the identity of the people involved and allow children to be adopted.

68 posted on 09/21/2002 8:53:53 PM PDT by Brytani
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Colleran said she'd have to disclose "basically everything about my sexual history, within the time that I conceived. And I think this is disgusting, it makes me feel very ashamed."

Not to be cruel here, I honestly am not, but if what you did makes you ashamed of it because it is being possibly brought out publicly, don't you think you should be ashamed of it anyway?

On a more relevant note, it is absolutely imperative that every and all effort be made to find the biological father in an adoption case. The reason is not to ashame a pregnant mother, it is to prevent another baby Jessica. (Nutshell of Jessica case... mother put child up for adoption, did not inform father. Child legally adopted by family, father showed up and wanted child, court gave child to father.) To adopt a child with an unknown or absentee father, the courts must involuntarily terminate a fathers rights. This involves basically running some ads in papers saying you are looking for them, if they don't show up in a given amount of time court will involuntarily terminate their parental rights, clearing the way for adoption and protecting the adoptive family from the father showing up years later and trying to take the child.

Now I don't know about Florida law, but where I live this is the way it is, and I am getting ready to go through this process (we are adopting a child where father is nowhere to be found). Now in our case the father is known but nowhere to be found. When father is unknown, I am not sure what the courts have to do.

Now as to the practicality of this law, reality is is the birth mother will not likely have to pay a pennie out of her pocket, this is just flat out lie... adoption agencies and parents who are adopting will I am sure cover the fees of a few hundred dollars to run the neccessary ads. So, idea the fees will make it more difficult I doubt. This is more about the mothers not wanting to reveal their sexual histories... which I can understand from a privacy standpoint. However, I cannot imagine any person who is thinking about the welfare of their child, which face it any person putting their child up for adoption nearly has to do.. only the most callous of human being can make this sort of decision easily.. when push comes to shove will not be able to deal with their shame in order to give their child a better opportunity.

83 posted on 11/19/2002 10:47:21 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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