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Posted on 09/19/2002 5:37:52 AM PDT by luv2ndamend
I agree with you. But the City was not simply trying to disassociate itself from the Scouts. It was trying to force the Scouts to readmit those admits and pay them $100,000. You're barking up the wrong tree.
Yendu Bwam was accusing this city of wanting pedophiles to molest boys. That is slander. They only want to associate with groups who abide by their non-discrimination policies.
No, they want to penalize groups with whom they don't agree, and force them to accept leaders they don't want.
Yendu was right in pointing out how this isn't as much a gay/straight issue as it is a question of putting adults in charge of adolescents to whom they are sexually attracted. No way I'd ever want to have a 20 year old male scoutmaster in charge of a Girl Scout group of teeneage girls. But is that "discrimination" because of heterosexuality?
Duh. Because that does not prevent homosexual molestations. That's the answer. Prior to the scouts' strong policies aimed at preventing homosexual molestations, they had hundreds of such each year. Of course they threw out the perpetrators, but by then the damage to young impressionable boys had been done. If you care more about young teenage boys than about the precious feelings of homosexual men who feel they 'need' to be with your sons on overnight camping trips, then you don't put them in a place where many of them have sexual attraction issues. Further, if you care about what your children learn regarding homosexuality, and you disagree with what most homosexual men believe, then you also don't put them in close contact with your sons.
Actually, you may be right. Billy Dale worked in the White House travel office and was fired by President Clinton. I have no idea if he was ever involved with the BSA.
James Dale was the Assistant Scoutmaster who sued the BSA to be allowed to continue as a Scout Leader.
OK, Emmylou, that's fair. We teach our kids that homosexuals suffer from a type of disorder, and that homosexual behavior is NOT normal. We teach them not to blame homosexuals for that disorder. We teach them (as is consonant with our Christian religion) that we should love everyone with all our hearts, including homosexuals. We teach them that the sexual acts to which many homosexuals are attracted (like anal intercourse) are filthy and disgusting, and that we should feel sorry for those who feel compelled to engage in them. We teach them that these sexual practices are the primary cause of the spread of AIDs in our country. We teach our sons that homosexual men may have sexual attractions to them, and that they must protect themselves from and be wary about such. We teach them, that while we should have compassion for homosexuals, they are inappropriate as scoutmasters.
Take that back, emmylou. I did not say that and you know it.
Thank you. The implication is that the city is far more concerned about the feelings of homosexual men than it is about the welfare of teenage boys. A fair number of homosexual men are molestors and they teach and model things to kids that parents do not agree with, and which most consider harmful. You've made your choice. We'll make ours. Ours favors kids; yours does not.
The girl scouts do not allow men to take part in any girl scout camping trips.
Here is something I found on the Girl Scout Website:
Girl Scouts is looking for volunteers who represent the diversity of the world we live in — men as well as women, senior citizens as well as younger adults, people of all racial and ethnic backgrounds — anyone who's willing to make a difference in the lives of girls.
As far as I'm concerned, it's one thing if some of the dads tag along on a camping trip with their wives. It's a whole nother thing when the GSA recruits men from the general public to be leaders, as I saw on a poster in an airport a few years ago, encouraging men to become GSA leaders. I was appalled.
Discrimination is not always a bad thing. Would you want a guy who has sex with animals to be taking your kid out into the woods? Would you want an 18-yr. old guy taking out your 16-yr. old daughter camping - over a period of four days? Would you want that guy to be changing with your daughter? Would you want a married guy who brags about his extramarital affairs taking your sons out camping? Would you want an alcholic taking your children out camping? In the raising of our kids, parents MUST discriminate between what they consider good for their kids and what they consider bad for their kids. Homosexuals wish to force parents to accept something they don't agree is good for their kids. You wish to deny parents the right to raise their kids as they see fit. That is not only unconstitutional, but immoral. Homosexuals have the right to live their lives as they see fit. So do we.
About 1/3 of Girl Scout officers are lesbians. Girl Scouts promotes abortion, acceptance (rather than tolerance) of homosexuality, a refusal to acknowledge that a belief in God is something beneficial, takes no issue with active teen sexuality (and offers advice on contraception to teen girls who do not wish to inform their parents), multiculturalism, moral relativism, etc. etc. If you are interested in a more Boy Scoutly alternative for girls, check out American Heritage Girls.
Fair enough also, Emmylou. I just want you to understand that I have tremendous compassion for homosexuals (as I do for anyone with a serious problem). Peace.
As a GSA leader, I was able to shield my daughter from the worst of the GSA agenda, but I still wonder what kind of influences she was subjected to at GSA camp. Girl Scouts don't allow parents/troop leaders at summer camp. Boy Scouts REQUIRE troop leaders to accompany the boys.
One of the things that particularly angered me was the hostility toward religion that kept cropping up in the Girl Scouts. For instance, there was a 75th anniversary long weekend campout here in S. Calif. for 15,000 girls and their leaders. The Catholic scouts had to threaten a boycott before the organizers would allow a priest onto the grounds to say Sunday Mass. The organizers had planned a non-denominational service and, by golly, if the Catholics didn't like it, that was tough!
The organizers did finally relent, but scheduled the Mass for 6:30 am! At least the Catholic girls didn't have to miss any of the fun program to go to Mass. They scheduled the nondenominational service at the same time as some of the fun stuff, so the girls and leaders would have to choose between the two. :-(
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A couple of girls a couple of years ago wrote a book entitled something like: "Everything I needed to know about being a lesbian I learned in Girl Scouts." In that book, they claimed and gave evidence for an overwhelming lesbian presence in the Girl Scout hierarchy (and talked about their lesbian experiences with girl scout leaders). I have heard the same from many more indirect sources. Girl Scouts today, in general, takes no stand on teen sex, takes a supportive stand on lesbianism, is pro-abortion, and takes no stand on a belief in God. In contrast, Boy Scouts discourages teen sex, does not believe homosexual men are appropriate role models for teenage boys, does not promote abortion and insists that a belief in God is good for young men. As another poster pointed out, it's outrageous that Girl Scouts doesn't allow parents to come to camp. Boy Scouts strongly encourages parents to do so.
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