From the Canada Chapter 
Posted on 09/18/2002 10:39:59 AM PDT by diotima
I filled out the application and put JAXBratPack on it for now. We'll get it figured out. I'm going to make a post soon announcing our first meeting. Stay tuned.....
Not being smart, just still confused, that's all.
It seems unfair to have put the DC Chapter in the position of looking like a spoiler of some sort simply because -- once the FRN started up -- they had no reason or wish to "leave FR" and associated themselves primarily with the Network instead ... in the vein of "if it ain't broke, why fix it?"."
FR and FRN are separate legal entities. There is no shared or overlapping ownership or Directors. I do not own any part of FRN nor am I a member of the board or of the management. The FRN Board Members do not own any part of FR. We are strategic allies. We share the same goals and we work together on events. Most FRN members are also participants on FR. The chapters are locally owned and managed. They are separate legal entities.
As you are very much aware, the D.C. Chapter elected not to be part of FRN. It is my understanding that it's mostly because of personal reasons. And being as how it is personal, I'd just as soon not have it out on the forum again. Whatever the differences are will have to be worked out privately (if at all possible).
The D.C. Chapter has not left FR. They've simply elected to not join FRN. It is my hope that they will join some day. I have high hopes for both the D.C. Chapter and the Free Republic Network.
Thanks,
Jim
Or something along those lines...
From the Canada Chapter
You can just be the Jacksonville Chapter, I think you could change it later if you want.
Great work!
Hear hear.Whatever the differences are will have to be worked out privately (if at all possible).I, for one, have never quite understood the reasoning of some who felt it necessary somehow to handle publicly what were strictly personal disagreements centered solely on private conversations and personal business arrangments to which none on the Forum were privy or to keep tabs on those no longer associated in any way with the Forum.
I've also never understood the penchant for some to carry their personal disagreements about this site's management or the past involvement of others to other forums in an effort to end-run around your very reasonable request that they not continue carrying on like sixth graders about FReepers long gone and water everyone's refused for so long to allow under the bridge that you can practically walk on the layer of fetid scum covering its surface.
Ever hopeful, actually.Regardless the ugliness and acrimony of the past, the fastest way to establish one's Big League bona fides is to act always in public with the openness, graciousness and good will that are the hallmark of professionals seeking to restore our Constitutional liberties and rule of law as well as some semblance of this nation's moral and just foundations. I think graciousness will be the best ticket for attracting both like-minded folks and those we wish to win to our side to the cause.
In light of the DC Chapter's exemplary service and -- in essence -- serving as inspiration and template for the whole notion of "Chapters" in the first place, I'll admit I'm extremely put off by the characterizing of them as somehow not with the program simply for their electing to remain as-is: a wholly separate and self-governing entity -- just like the other Chapters -- whose only difference is that their primary loyalty remains directly to this freewheeling Forum where they were born.
I see no reason they can't elect to bypasses any of the associations naturally a part of any "network" style organization seeking alliances with or funding from other entities than the FReepers themselves.
In fact, I think it rather essential in several respects and prudent of them to wait and see how the FRN performed.
The DC Chapter has a long established and painstakingly earned reputation for excellence -- Saturday after Saturday after Saturday, attendence at courthouses, hearings, rallies and all manner of political events -- in the key political city of the nation. I see no reason for them to risk compromising their painstakingly earned respect or high regard by changing in the least a formula that's worked so well for the past several years.
As you know, I have very personal feelings about all of this too. It truly pains me to see at bitter loggerheads so many folks whom I met when we were a spirited, hopeful and tight team. I'm more than simply disappointed when I see folks stooping to levels I didn't think possible.
I want to thank you for making absolutely clear the delineations between the organizations. I think because (1) things weren't quite set in stone prior to the unveiling of the FRN and (2) the subject has subsequently been approached primarily from the angle of whatever crisis or dust-up du jour was ongoing, I'm not the only who has failed to get a firm handle on the relationships.
As you know ... I'm a big believer in not muddying the waters of responsibility between entities or among those with entirely different scopes of responsibility within those organizations.
It's reassuring to know that the separation I too believe is in everyone's -- particularly your -- best interest indeed exists.
I'm every bit as hopeful as you that -- whether or not folks ever work as closely together or consider themselves friends as once they did -- the hatred and sniping and characterizing of folks as enemies or AF-er's will stop. I think the key will be to quit provoking reactions from others ... to react being the involuntary half of that equation where humans are concerned.
I'm certainly guilty of allowing myself to be provoked in the past ... as I was on this thread as those with the best possible "personal" knowledge of exactly what the DC Chapter's problems are feign puzzlement publicly at the Chapter's purposefully very lowkey, sans-fanfare decision not to join the FRN.
Thanks again for the crystal clear reply.
All the best.
Namely that it makes no sense to fight each other when there are serious enemies out there to battle.
YOU WROTE: I, for one, have never quite understood the reasoning of some who felt it necessary somehow to handle publicly what were strictly personal disagreements centered solely on private conversations and personal business arrangments to which none on the Forum were privy or to keep tabs on those no longer associated in any way with the Forum.
I just answered the question I was asked using value neutral language. But if you believe what you assert in the above paragraph, why did bother to post what you did, thereby performing precisely what you cautioned against?
I am not taking the usual bait on this. If you believe this is a private matter, take it up privately.
To the contrary. I think the reputation of the DC Chapter is a very public matter. And I'll also note that it's not your fault in the least the subject was brought up.
While I can appreciate the motivation at times for explaining privately comments made publicly on the forum, this isn't one of them.
I've offered what I think are some perfectly understandable and logical reasons the DC Chapter wants to stay "as-is" and I see no reason anyone couldn't come to those same conclusions, ignore the subject entirely or direct all questions directly to Angelwood or Kristinn ... it being always best to go to straight to the source as I did when I wrote to you.
(Not that I don't appreciate Jim's making things perfectly clear in your stead.)
Regards.
No one's reputation was harmed, a series apodictic and factual statements were made on my part. Only your hemenuetic legerdemain renders my statements harmful to anyone's reputation.
That is all I have to say on this matter.
Damn ... you won't repeat again in English for me? =)
Save for the one chapter too stupid and non-sensical, I guess, to realize Unity is the only way to get anything accomplished ... regardless the evidence to the contrary that is their own record of the past several years.
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