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Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and AMA working with 44 states to take away smoking rights.
The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation ^ | 17 September 2002

Posted on 09/17/2002 10:11:56 AM PDT by SheLion

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To: I'm_With_Orwell
No, Actually I had no problem with you it was the whining SOB that objected to the phrase Hypocritical Bastards....sniff sniff...LOL
101 posted on 09/19/2002 4:45:27 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: brat
You have a constitutional right to smoke and smell up my air ?
102 posted on 09/19/2002 1:49:15 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: I'm_With_Orwell
You forgot to include that my wife is a good Christian woman who is very obedient.
103 posted on 09/19/2002 2:08:12 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
Sorry, consider it added to the end of my post.

104 posted on 09/19/2002 3:34:48 PM PDT by I'm_With_Orwell
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; red-dawg; ...
Cigarette tax becomes healthy habit

The tax increase is expected to generate a record $94.9 million for the General Fund this fiscal year - $17 million more than last year - despite the reduced sales volume. That figure would make tobacco taxes the state's third-highest moneymaker, dropping the corporate income tax to fourth.

  "We actually refer to it sometimes as 'tax profiling,' because you're taking a minority of the state's population and imposing a disproportionate tax burden on that group," said John Singleton, spokesman for tobacco giant R.J. Reynolds.

What is more, critics say, the tax increase is encouraging people to smuggle cigarettes across state borders and make purchases over the Internet. Both practices are illegal in Maine, said Elmer Pelletier, an analyst for Maine Revenue Services.

The Fund for a Healthy Maine, which will receive about $50 million a year for the next two decades, helps support the state's tobacco prevention and control program called The Partnership for a Tobacco-Free Maine.

Many other Maine smokers will join Gildard in cutting back or quitting, smoking opponents predict. State analysts forecast that retailers will sell 3 million to 4 million fewer packs in the 12-month period ending June 30, down from 100 million the previous year.

105 posted on 09/19/2002 4:26:03 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion

106 posted on 09/19/2002 7:18:21 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: SheLion
The money is used to chop off the head of the smokers.

Signed,
The United Socialist States of America Behavior Control Council.
Hail Hitler.

107 posted on 09/20/2002 10:40:43 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: hobbes1
So I say, lets keep tobacco. Natural and safe. My Prediction, sales drop off by 50% in 5 years.

It's legal to grow it in your own yard for personal consumption.

108 posted on 09/20/2002 10:41:57 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: SheLion
That money is being used to trample my rights and the rights of the other 55 million in America who choose to smoke a legal product.

Sure is. They choose our choice and call it "freedom."

109 posted on 09/20/2002 10:43:16 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: VRWC_minion
You have a constitutional right to smoke and smell up my air ?

Do you have the right to have body oder? Wear cheep perfume? Fart?

110 posted on 09/20/2002 10:45:33 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
Do you have the right to have body oder? Wear cheep perfume? Fart?

I don't see a constitutional right, do you ?

111 posted on 09/20/2002 11:32:39 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion; concerned about politics
don't see a constitutional right, do you ?

This from www.usconstitution.net:-

The right to smoke would certainly be covered under the 9th Amendment. But, by extension, so is the right to snort cocaine; but it is illegal, and not just at the state level. So perhaps to start, you need to ask, what gives the U.S. the right to make cocaine illegal? From there, you can extend to include smoking.

The Congress has broad powers to regulate most things under the Interstate Commerce clause. Because most tobacco products are created for sale outside the state they are created in, the Congress can tax and regulate tobacco products. If cigarettes were only consumed in the state they were created in, the Congress may not be able to do too much about the issue. It would likely, however, have the power to ban smoking in all government buildings, seeing how it has the power to set rules for federal agencies, and, by extension, their facilities.

You may have trouble arguing that the Federal Government has a similar right to regulate other public places, because it exerts no direct influence. However, it can make funds for schools, for example, contingent upon it being a non-smoking area. The powers granted agencies such as the FDA would allow it to ban tobacco outright, I suspect, even given its wide usage; the FDA may even be able to ban smoking in public places, though I'd have to check its rules and the U.S. Code governing the various agencies.

112 posted on 09/22/2002 6:53:47 PM PDT by I'm_With_Orwell
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To: SheLion
http://www.forces.org/evidence/index.htm


113 posted on 12/27/2002 7:59:53 PM PST by visualops
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To: VRWC_minion
Wonderful information. Not only are you smokers providing me with lower taxes so you can keep your awful habits, I have lower medical bills and taxes because the foundations are sending money on account of you smokers. What a country. I save money because your addicted.

That sounds like something my cousin, the socialist ex smoker, turned socialist anti-smoking Nazi would say.

114 posted on 12/27/2002 8:09:35 PM PST by c-b 1
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To: visualops
Thanks for the link. And here's my site:


115 posted on 12/27/2002 11:02:35 PM PST by SheLion
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To: hobbes1
My wife is still working on me. So far I have given up drinking, smoking, fatty foods, caffeine and wiskers in sink. Still on her list is staring at girls, socks on the floor, helping around the house and probably more than I know as of yet.

Wow, aren't you just a manly man. Gawsh, how impressive.

Does she keep in locked in the safe, and only let you get it out when you need to play with it?

The numbers on lifetime health costs of smokers v. non-smokers is interesting (do you have a source, by any chance?) but the disparity is even greater than that. Those numbers don't account for the fact that, over their lifetime, most smokers pay $30,000 - $60,000 more in taxes than anyone else in their tax bracket. Figure that in and the numbers become even more impressive. Smoking saves the government a substantial amount of money.

I could understand if the money were going in the Opposite direction, but the simple fact is RWJ is a renowned Philanthropist who spends an awful lot of time trying to do PALAPABLE GOOD with his money.

I guess you can fool some of the people all of the time.

The RJWF is a very clever way to dramatically increase the profits of Johnson and Johnson. It is set up as a separate charitable organization, but their primary source of funds comes from six billion (yes, billion) dollars worth of J&J stock. So when they harass someone into quitting, and that someone wastes his money on J&J's incredibly profitable nicotine patches, gum, inhalers, butt plugs, etc. it literally puts money in their pocket.

Actually, they dont even need to do that. If they want to crush out butts in this country, all they need to do is ban the Chemical Additive that keeps tobacco burning when it is not being actively smoked. Put it down for a second, and it goes right out. that Chemical is a public safety concern and is directly responsible for the deaths of many smokers that fall asleep with a cigarette.So I say, lets keep tobacco. Natural and safe. My Prediction, sales drop off by 50% in 5 years.

That chemical additive is potassium nitrate, aka saltpeter. Kiss you firecrackers good-bye. No more dynamite either.

Most European cigarettes don't have the additive and go out if you stop puffing for a minute. The same thing happens with premium cigars. In principle the idea of making cigarettes self-extinguishing sounds good, but let's remember the kind of scum we're dealing with here. First they'd demand that cigarettes go out in 60 seconds. A year later, 30. A year or two after that, 15. By the time they're done, the damn things will be made out of asbestos.

Your prediction is silly - if it were done correctly it would have no effect on smoking.

Shelion: Only by activism. I've tried and tried to get smokers motivated to march on capitals, etc, but they just won't do it. Until they will, we can expect more and more of our rights taken away. Also, join the Smoker's Tea Party by buying your smokes on foreign soil. I use yesmoke.com and get my Camel 100's for $14.95 per carton. You can order up to 5 cartons at a time. Spread the word to your addy book. Everyone knows people who smoke. It's time we told the gov where to go! They've been nothing but abusive to smokers and we're just not going to take it anymore. They can live without our tax dollars!

Brat:Some patriot you are. I guess the Constitution only applies to you and what you approve of.

Ever hear of the Boston Tea Party? It was an act of vandalism that we celebrate as an important part of our history. The people who did it are highly regarded as patriots.

They weren't just angry about taxation, but at taxation without representation. When was the last time you heard of any legislation, anywhere, for smokers?

The Tea Party was over a tax of three percent. Three percent! Cigarette taxes are 300%, 400%, 500% and more, and smokers get no representation for their money

Fighting an unjust government is patriotic. If the Boston Tea Party was patriotic, then so is evading cigarettes taxes. This does have the unfortunate side effect of saving up to 80%, but most smokers are willing to live with that inconvenience.

You have a constitutional right to smoke and smell up my air ?

Your air? WTF makes it your air?

116 posted on 07/07/2004 8:29:59 AM PDT by Hittman
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To: Hittman

Please, if it takes you 18 months to read through a thread and work up a reply, don't trouble yourself.


Sheesh.


117 posted on 07/07/2004 8:50:45 AM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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