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Here is a different view of Islam that I think everyone should read. It is important that we know that not all Muslims are crazed fanatics such as OBL just as not all Christians are hate-filled bigots such as The Right Reverend Fred Phelps of "God Hates Fags" fame.
1 posted on 09/14/2002 8:50:08 AM PDT by meia
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To: meia
a related story about a "good" Muslim -- yeah, right

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/750603/posts

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2 posted on 09/14/2002 8:52:59 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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Just remember it is no sin for an islamist to lie to an infidel, and this was written for infidels to read.

Want to see the the true face of islam, lokk at their world, and tell me if you want to live like that.

3 posted on 09/14/2002 8:56:31 AM PDT by dts32041
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Thanks for posting this, but one question and one comment jumps out:

Question: Why is this view (of Islam) not more widely disseminated? Why did it take a year for this to appear?

Comment: Beware of moral equivalency - the Rev. Phelps (as bad as he may be) has, to my knowledge, NEVER commissioned anyone to fly airliners into buildings.

4 posted on 09/14/2002 8:56:48 AM PDT by KeyBored
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To: meia
Good article. Thanks. It's typical of the Muslims I know, but then I'm damned picky.

From my travels I'd opine that Islam in the mideast has more contradictory factions than Christianity here in the States, and that's quite a bit!

kj

5 posted on 09/14/2002 8:57:18 AM PDT by AzJP
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"...One hundred percent of the successful terrorist attacks on commercial airlines for 20 years have been committed by Arabs. When there is a 100 percent chance of being hijacked by an Arab Muslim Extremist, it ceases to be a profile. It's called a 'description of the suspect...."

In 1968 who assassinated Robert Kennedy?
(a) Abbe Hoffman
(b) Tiny Tim
(c) Charles Manson
(d) Muslim male extremist between the age of 17 and 40

In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:
(a)Olga Corbutt
(b)Sitting Bull
(c)Arnold Schwartzeneger
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1979,the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
(a) Lost Norwegians
(b) Elvis
(c) A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
(a) John Dillinger
(b) The King of Sweden
(c) The Boy Scouts
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
(a) A pizza delivery boy
(b) Pee Wee Herman
(c) Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by:
(a) The Smurfs
(b) Davy Jones
(c) The Little Mermaid
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver was murdered by:
(a) Captain Kid
(b) Charles Lindberg
(c) Mother Teresa
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
(a) Scooby Doo
(b) The Tooth Fairy
(c) Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid with dynamite left over from the train job.
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
(a) Richard Simmons
(b) Grandma Moses
(c) Michael Jordan
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
(a) Mr. Rogers (b) Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
(c) The World Wrestling Federation to promote its next villain: "Mustapha the Merciless"
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

iN 1999, The USS Cole was attacked and more than 15 American Sailors were killed by:
(a) David Letterman
(b) Shaquille O'Neil
(c) The Cookie Monster
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 2001 Phillipene Missionaries Gracia and Martin Burnham were kidnapped, held for over a year, and Martin subsequently killed by:
(a) Mr. Rogers
(b) Scooby Doo & Shaggy
(c) Ronald Reagan
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed and thousands of people were killed by:
(a) Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd
(b) The Supreme Court of Florida
(c) Mr. Bean
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
(a)Enron
(b)The Lutheran Church
(c)The NFL
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
(a) Bonny and Clyde
(b) Captain Kangaroo
(c) Billy Graham
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

On July 4th 2002, 2 Innocent Airline Passengers Were Killed, And 3 Others Injured at the ticket counter of El Al Airlines in the LAX International terminal by:
(a) Hulk Hogan after losing the WWF Title
(b) The cast of Monty Python
(c) Senator Lil' Tommy Daschle
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 41

6 posted on 09/14/2002 8:58:05 AM PDT by ChadGore
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To: meia
Do you love fags??
8 posted on 09/14/2002 8:59:02 AM PDT by kimosabe31
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This article presents an Islam that doesn't exist. No Islamic country allows freedom of religion. Most lack freedom of speech. To Islam, peace is the result of Islamic justice, where the enemy is subdued. Islamic peace doesn't mean getting along with your enemies. Just read the Sharia (Islamic law) to get a picture of how corrupt this religion really is.
14 posted on 09/14/2002 9:06:18 AM PDT by aimhigh
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Of course, no one has ever had any reason to label all Christians sa hate-mongers, because it's been made clear that this is not what Christianity is about. Phelps, btw, is an obscure figure.

Muslims have not made clear that all of Islam is not hateful. The best they can do is call the 9-11 attack tragic, and then go into apologist mode with all their "but America should have....."
16 posted on 09/14/2002 9:08:06 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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This is something explicitly prohibited in Islam and was never practiced by the Prophet of Mercy,

Who dat?...not that pedophile whose early prophesies were under the possession of satan.. must be some other prophet of peace... Yeah keep preaching that middle of the road bs...the gang of murderers always has the "front man" of peace..ring the doorbell...gets it opened easier than the truth

18 posted on 09/14/2002 9:09:39 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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Yeh meia, just as the article says, Mohammed was a peaceful man who would never condone the atrocities being committed today < /sarcasm>

From http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/mohwar3.html

In the Third Part of this series on Mohammed's life, I will be focusing on three events that define the nature of Islam's foundations. At this stage, Mohammed had gained power through his assassinations, looting, massacares and raping. The Jewish Tribes of Medinah had been inhabitants of that city for centuries before the Prophet decided to make it the headquarters of his criminal activities. All the Jews were becoming increasingly dissatisfied and angered at the deeds of the Muslims. The Jewish Tribes were peace-loving, hard working tradespeople, whose purpose in life was to earn a decent living through honest means and hard effort. They were perfectly content with the religion of their forefathers and had never anticipated that the man to whom they had given shelter so graciously, would turn into the power crazed monster who was now turning around to attack them. Mohammed was in the position to carry out his hidden ambitions, which became clear soon enough.

With the utmost disregard for all human morality, ethics, or respect for human life, the Prophet of Islam systematically targeted and slaughtered the very Jews of Medinah who had helped him when everyone else in Arabia was kicking him like a dog. He was motivated by these primary reasons

His fanatic greed for all the wealth that had been created by the blood, sweat and toil of the Jews His maniacal craving for power at any cost. The Jews were the biggest obstacle in his plan to subjugate all of Medinah, so they had to be removed, by any means possible His fear of all other religions. Mohammed was a delusional Megalomaniac, meaning he believed that he was the Supreme Ruler of the world. Anything that threatened this sick fantasy of his, had to be exterminated. Since, the religion of the Jews rejected his pathetic claims to Divine rule, they were the targeted victims in Medinah, just as the Polytheistic Arabs had been his victims in Mecca.

The incidents narrated below demonstrate the horrific depth of Mohammed's atrocities. Keep in mind that Mohammed is the Model of Good Islamic behaviour and you will realise how Islam advocates genocide in the name of religion.

8) Murder of a Jewish Elder from Khaybar
Date: Late April 626 A.D.
Place: The Jewish Oasis of Khyber
Victims: Abu Rafi

The Muslims who had murdered Kaab Ibn Al Ashraf the famous poet of the Banu-N-Nair (See Prophet of Terror & the "Religion of Peace" Part 2) were considered as heroes by Mohammed and his followers. Murderers were considered as ideal Muslims. A group of Muslims from the Khazraj Tribe decided to prove their loyalty to their Prophet by killing off a respectable member of the Jewish Community. Abu Rafi was an elderly man who had never done anything against Mohammed or the Muslims. He just happened to be the unfortunate target of Mohammed's plot to terrorize the Jews. The Prophet wanted to send out a message to the Jews, which spelt out clearly that Mohammed was in control of their lives. The "expedition" to kill the poor old helpless man had the specific blessings of the "Merciful" Prophet.

About Six of them broke into the Old man's house in the middle of the night and slashed him to ribbons as he slept. The cowardly Muslims always assassinated people in this way, while the victim slept, obviously because they had neither the courage nor the strength to fight even a solitary, aged Jewish Man while he was awake. After their crime, the Muslims fled back home into the arms of their expectant Prophet. There was a fight among them as to who had actually killed Abu Rafi. At this, the Prophet smiled beatifically and started checking their swords. Finally, it was decided that the person who owned the sword which still had traces of food in it, was the winner. Apparently Abu Rafi had just finished his dinner before falling asleep and the sword had slashed through his stomach spilling its contents. Indeed how Benevolent was the Apostle of Peace!

9) Massacre, Rape and Plunder of Banu-L-Mustaliq
Date: December 626 A.D.
Place: The well of Muraysi near Red Sea
Victims: The Tribe of Banu-L-Mustaliq

Mohammed attacked the Banu-L-Mustaliq because of their wealth. In a surprise raid, the Muslims drove them to the Sea. They slaughtered many members of the Banu-N-Mustaliq Tribe and looted away a booty of 2000 Camels, 5000 Sheep and 500 Women! 500 women were captured screaming and crying after they had watched their husbands and sons being slaughtered. The most beautiful captive was Juwayriyya, daughter of the chief of the Banu-L-Mustaliq. Mohammed snatched her to satisfy his own animal lust. The captured women were supposed to be returned by the Muslims upon payment of a ransom. But the night after the battle itself, Mohammed and his army raped each and every one of them. One of the men Abu Sa'id Khudri of Mohammed's army reported :

"We were lusting after women and chastity had become too hard for us, but we wanted to get the ransom money for our prisoners. So we wanted to use the "Azl" (Coitus Interruptus- where the man withdraws before ejaculating)...We asked the Prophet about it and he said: "You are not under any obligation to stop yourselves from doing it like that.." Later on the women and children were given for ransom to their envoys. They all went away to their country and not One wanted to stay although they had the choice.."

So the Great Prophet of Peace told his men it was perfectly FINE to rape women as long as you didn't ejaculate inside them (which made them pregnant). What supreme logic! Any human being with the slightest shred of morality has to be nauseated by this Man and the religion he preached. Mohammed, the supreme religious figurehead of Islam sanctions RAPE, pure and simple. Not only did the Muslims commit this horrifying crime, they decieved the Tribesmen into paying Ransom for their womenfolk, who only paid the money in a desperate attempt to save their women's honor. To call such a Prophet and his followers the epitome of Evil is probably an understatement.

10) Massacre of the Banu -Qurayza
Date: April-May 627 A.D.
Place: Medinah
Victims: The Last Jewish Tribe left in Medinah The Banu-Qurayza.

By this time, Mohammed had murdered or driven out all of the Jewish Tribes of Medinah, except the Banu Qurayza. It was time to eliminate this last thorn in his flesh. The Banu Qurayza had been reluctant in helping Mohammed against the Quraysh. Conveniently once again, Mohammed claimed that he had divine knowledge about a conspiracy by the Banu-Qurayza to kill him. He beseiged their fortress for Twenty-Five days. When the starving Tribe surrendered, Mohammed forced an old man from their own Tribe to pronounce Mohammed's sentence. The sentence was death to every male member of the Tribe, Slavery for every woman and child and Plunder of all their property.

The Prophet had an immense trench dug around the main market of Medinah. The men of the Banu Qurayza were rounded up & their hands twisted tightly behind them. Then one by one, they were shoved to the edge of the trench and forced to kneel. They were offered a last chance to convert to "The True Faith" and if they refused, had their heads chopped off. As soon as one head would roll off, the corpse would be kicked into the ditch, and so it went. By the time Dawn had colored the sky red in Medinah, hundreds of corpses piled up in a heap in a tangled cesspool of blood, hair and shreds of flesh. Despite the horrific end in front of their eyes, none of the Jews chose to convert to Islam and faced death valiantly. The blood of 900 innocent Jews stained Mohammed's hands on that black day.

Their only crime was that they chose to retain their fundamental human right, of choosing their own God and the religion of their ancestors. Hysterical women & children screamed as they watched their fathers, husbands & sons die. The majority of them were raped savagely and then bundled off to be sold as "used goods". The Prophet had the husband of the Jewess Raihana Bint Amr hacked to pieces before her very eyes, hours after he had murdered her father. No doubt this was the Prophet's perverted version of a wedding present, because after these atrocities he raped the mortified girl and tried to force her to convert to Islam.

Muslim historians still describe the savage rape of Raihana Bint Amr as her "willing submission to Islam and wifehood to the Prophet"

Apparently according to them it is very natural to imagine that a woman who has just seen her husband, father, brothers and Tribe slaughtered violently before her very eyes, would CHOOSE to convert to the religion of the murderer and marry him! In actual fact Raihana REFUSED to convert to Islam and also refused to marry Mohammed the murderer of her family. He kept her as a lowly concubine all his life. So much for the "Apostle of Peace" and his unbounded RESPECT for women. Mohammed was nothing but a serial rapist, who acquired his victims by killing their families first.

Allah as usual has provided yet another timeless Divine revelation which gives his Prophet the Right to rape and torture women of other religions.

Koran 4:24
"And all married women are forbidden unto you EXCEPT those captives whom your right hand possesses. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that you seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery..."

In short Allah the All Merciful is saying "Hey Muslims, it's a crime to go after married women, but IF they happen to be your captives (which obviously all the non-Muslim women were) feel free to indulge yourself in rape and sexual torture of them. "lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned" Allah is making it LEGAL for Muslims to go ahead and rape Non-Muslim women by Divine Law!

One shudders to imagine what kind of minds invented such utterly sadistic and disgusting ideas.

Mohammed justified all his crimes against the Jews with more of Allah's revelations. Although the following Surahs were not revealed at the same time as the Massacre of Banu Quraizyah, they nevertheless give a general idea of the Prophet's views on Jews and why it is perfectly fine to kill, loot and rape them.

Koran 5:51
O you who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is one of them. Lo allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

Koran 5:64
The Jews say: "Allah's hand is fettered." It is THEIR hands that are fettered and they are ACCURSED for saying so. Nay, but both his (Allah's) hands are spread in bounty. He bestoweth as he will. That which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord is certain to increase the contumacy and belief of many of them, And We have cast among them (The Jews) Enmity and Hatred till the day of Resurrection. As often as they light a fire for war, Allah extinguishes it!

The above verses clearly demonstrate the Muslim's hatred of Jews as prescribed by their Prophet. They also expose the hollow claims of Muslims, about Islam being a peaceful religion that always co-existed with Judaism and Christanity. The innumerable, unwarranted massacres of Jews by Mohammed, tell this story in the clearest terms. These historical events form the basis of the Islamic code of behaviour. Therefore the recent genocide of Hindus, Christians and Jews by Muslims all over the world should come as no surprise whatsoever.

The Works "The Glorious Quran" by Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall, "The Meaning of the Glorious Quran" by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, "Mohammed" by Maxime Rodinson, and "Muhammad" by Martin Lings have been used to compose this article.

22 posted on 09/14/2002 9:16:36 AM PDT by wattsmag2
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Too little --- too late!
23 posted on 09/14/2002 9:21:34 AM PDT by usconservative
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"Unfortunately, the West does not know what every Muslim scholar knows; that the worst enemies of Islam are from within."

I disagree with Dr Yusef (if the author is the Hazma Yusef I believe it is): there are MANY people in the West who are well aware of that fact. We're the ones trying to draw out the moderates to take a stand against our mutual enemy.

Unfortunately, Eastern pride dictates that the majority of Muslims, no matter their personal ideology, should DISAGREE stringently should any infidel socioanthropologist DARE to say such a thing. Causes a really irritating impasse.

25 posted on 09/14/2002 9:24:31 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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The Quran says that the Torah and the Gospel have guidance and light and that the Quran came to fulfil these prior dispensations. Good Christians and Jews who believe in God and live ethically upright lives have no frame of reference for such acts, so how could these acts be from Islam, which confirms what has come before it?

The Quran also says that Jews and Christians have corrupted “the Book.” If “the Book” is corrupted, how can the Quran “confirm” it? After all, according to Islam, Abraham was a Muslim, and Jesus was not the son of God, not did he die on the cross, in direct contradiction of “the Book.” the oppressive assaults of some Western countries on Muslim peoples

Why no mention of the oppressive assaults by Muslim countries on Muslim peoples?

They are used often by the Western media in order to scare simple people and cause them to believe that Muslims are insane. Unfortunately, our communities provide them with much fuel to fire their incendiary flames.

Ah, yes: the passive victimization mode. The Islamist extremists don’t use the media, they “are used” by the media. If the west would simply ignore all this hate, it will simply disappear (and so might the West, but, of course, that is the ultimate goal).

“Articulate?” – yes. “Reasoned?” – still a long way to go. I guess we should be grateful that some other little zingers haven’t been carefully woven into this piece – such as poverty causing terrorism. This religion has yet to take the first baby steps in embracing honesty, openness and self-criticism of its basic beliefs and antipathies toward non-believers. Islam itself has produced the phenomena the author describes, as the logical consequence of its basic teachings, untouched (through violence and intimidation of those who attempt exegesis) for centuries.

32 posted on 09/14/2002 9:41:55 AM PDT by browardchad
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WELL, last night we went to the local fair and came across a muslim booth. My husband and I asked the guys in the booth all the questions we always wanted to ask and everything they said backed up the stuff we read here on FR.

Namely, no muslims were involved in the WTC tragedy, it was the jews who did it. Nothing you see on TV is true. Muhammed never had a child bride or raped or killed anyone. And finally, that if push came to shove, they would support their fellow muslims instead of America.

Puyallup fair. Try it out. The muslim booth is right by the barn with the livestock. Seattle really does have a fifth column, they really do hate us and plan to take over the world if possible. And oh yeah, they told us that if we go after Iraq we will be very sorry. It was all I could do to not spit at them as we left.

38 posted on 09/14/2002 10:00:41 AM PDT by MarMema
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We neeed to wipe a few radical terrorists related to the moon-god off the face of the earth and see how much celebrating the rest of the sect does then.
39 posted on 09/14/2002 10:02:41 AM PDT by A CA Guy
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"It is important that we know"

Hmmm...talking down... ... "that not all Muslims are crazed fanatics such as OBL"

...Add base accusations while taking down....

,,, "just as not all Christians are hate-filled bigots such as The Right Reverend Fred Phelps of "God Hates Fags" fame."

....Stir in large quantity of insult....

Great way to convert the maxumum number of FReepers who do NOT and WILL NOT condone the murder of innocent Muslims...or ANY innocent person...to the "NUKE 'EM ALL CROWD."

Very original use of reverse psychology. If that was your intent, I commend you for your effeciency and success.

43 posted on 09/14/2002 10:07:56 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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i just love this part:

Our Prophet, peace be upon him may he die in pieces, blahblahblah ...

48 posted on 09/14/2002 10:15:34 AM PDT by tomkat
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Except that Phelps has a following of 10 and Osama(and other Islamic terrorists) have a following of thousands.
52 posted on 09/14/2002 10:21:03 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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If you want to better understand the minds at work here, rent a copy of "Lawrence of Arabia." Certainly NOT the definitive work on the Middle East, but revealing nonetheless. In one scene near the end of the film, another character suggests that Lawrence is a good liar. The king (played by the late, great Sir Alec Guiness) overhears him and comments, "He should be. He's nearly an Arab."

LYING IS A WAY OF LIFE THERE -- ESPECIALLY TO THE INFIDEL. That's US folks -- that's US.

53 posted on 09/14/2002 10:21:18 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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More mealy mouthed weasel words.

CRAP!

56 posted on 09/14/2002 10:27:25 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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