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Abolish the Fed
Lew Rockwell ^ | 09/13/02 | Rep. Ron Paul, MD

Posted on 09/13/2002 5:54:35 AM PDT by Boonie Rat

Abolish the Fed

by Rep. Ron Paul, MD

In the House of Representatives, September 10, 2002

Mr. Speaker, I rise to introduce legislation to restore financial stability to America's economy by abolishing the Federal Reserve. I also ask unanimous consent to insert the attached article by Lew Rockwell, president of the Ludwig Von Mises Institute, which explains the benefits of abolishing the Fed and restoring the gold standard, into the record.

Since the creation of the Federal Reserve, middle and working-class Americans have been victimized by a boom-and-bust monetary policy. In addition, most Americans have suffered a steadily eroding purchasing power because of the Federal Reserve's inflationary policies. This represents a real, if hidden, tax imposed on the American people.

From the Great Depression, to the stagflation of the seventies, to the burst of the dotcom bubble last year, every economic downturn suffered by the country over the last 80 years can be traced to Federal Reserve policy. The Fed has followed a consistent policy of flooding the economy with easy money, leading to a misallocation of resources and an artificial "boom" followed by a recession or depression when the Fed-created bubble bursts.

With a stable currency, American exporters will no longer be held hostage to an erratic monetary policy. Stabilizing the currency will also give Americans new incentives to save as they will no longer have to fear inflation eroding their savings. Those members concerned about increasing America's exports or the low rate of savings should be enthusiastic supporters of this legislation.

Though the Federal Reserve policy harms the average American, it benefits those in a position to take advantage of the cycles in monetary policy. The main beneficiaries are those who receive access to artificially inflated money and/or credit before the inflationary effects of the policy impact the entire economy. Federal Reserve policies also benefit big spending politicians who use the inflated currency created by the Fed to hide the true costs of the welfare-warfare state. It is time for Congress to put the interests of the American people ahead of the special interests and their own appetite for big government.

Abolishing the Federal Reserve will allow Congress to reassert its constitutional authority over monetary policy. The United States Constitution grants to Congress the authority to coin money and regulate the value of the currency. The Constitution does not give Congress the authority to delegate control over monetary policy to a central bank. Furthermore, the Constitution certainly does not empower the federal government to erode the American standard of living via an inflationary monetary policy.

In fact, Congress' constitutional mandate regarding monetary policy should only permit currency backed by stable commodities such as silver and gold to be used as legal tender. Therefore, abolishing the Federal Reserve and returning to a constitutional system will enable America to return to the type of monetary system envisioned by our nation's founders: one where the value of money is consistent because it is tied to a commodity such as gold. Such a monetary system is the basis of a true free-market economy.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to stand up for working Americans by putting an end to the manipulation of the money supply which erodes Americans' standard of living, enlarges big government, and enriches well-connected elites, by cosponsoring my legislation to abolish the Federal Reserve.

WHY GOLD?

By Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr. As with all matters of investment, everything is clear in hindsight. Had you bought gold mutual funds earlier this year, they might have appreciated more than 100 percent. Gold has risen $60 since March 2001 to the latest spot price of $326.

Why wasn't it obvious? The Fed has been inflating the dollar as never before, driving interest rates down to absurdly low levels, even as the federal government has been pushing a mercantile trade policy, and New York City, the hub of the world economy, continues to be threatened by terrorism. The government is failing to prevent more successful attacks by not backing down from foreign policy disasters and by not allowing planes to arm themselves. These are all conditions that make gold particularly attractive.

Or perhaps it is not so obvious why this is true. It's been three decades since the dollar's tie to gold was completely severed, to the hosannas of mainstream economists. There is no stash of gold held by the Fed or the Treasury that backs our currency system. The government owns gold but not as a monetary asset. It owns it the same way it owns national parks and fighter planes. It's just another asset the government keeps to itself.

The dollar, and all our money, is nothing more and nothing less than what it looks like: a cut piece of linen paper with fancy printing on it. You can exchange it for other currency at a fixed rate and for any good or service at a flexible rate. But there is no established exchange rate between the dollar and gold, either at home or internationally.

The supply of money is not limited by the amount of gold. Gold is just another good for which the dollar can be exchanged, and in that sense is legally no different from a gallon of milk, a tank of gas, or an hour of babysitting services.

Why, then, do people turn to gold in times like these? What is gold used for? Yes, there are industrial uses and there are consumer uses in jewelry and the like. But recessions and inflations don't cause people to want to wear more jewelry or stock up on industrial metal. The investor demand ultimately reflects consumer demand for gold. But that still leaves us with the question of why the consumer demand exists in the first place. Why gold and not sugar or wheat or something else?

There is no getting away from it: investor markets have memories of the days when gold was money. In fact, in the whole history of civilization, gold has served as the basic money of all people wherever it's been available. Other precious metals have been valued and coined, but gold always emerged on top in the great competition for what constitutes the most valuable commodity of all.

There is nothing intrinsic about gold that makes it money. It has certain properties that lend itself to monetary use, like portability, divisibility, scarcity, durability, and uniformity. But these are just descriptors of certain qualities of the metal, not explanations as to why it became money. Gold became money for only one reason: because that's what the markets chose.

Why isn't gold money now? Because governments destroyed the gold standard. Why? Because they regarded it as too inflexible. To be sure, monetary inflexibility is the friend of free markets. Without the ability to create money out of nothing, governments tend to run tight financial ships. Banks are more careful about the lending when they can't rely on a lender of last resort with access to a money-creation machine like the Fed.

A fixed money stock means that overall prices are generally more stable. The problems of inflation and business cycles disappear entirely. Under the gold standard, in fact, increased market productivity causes prices to generally decline over time as the purchasing power of money increases.

In 1967, Alan Greenspan once wrote an article called Gold and Economic Freedom. He wrote that: "An almost hysterical antagonism toward the gold standard is one issue which unites statists of all persuasions. They seem to sense – perhaps more clearly and subtly than many consistent defenders of laissez-faire – that gold and economic freedom are inseparable, that the gold standard is an instrument of laissez-faire and that each implies and requires the other. . . . This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights."

He was right. Gold and freedom go together. Gold money is both the result of freedom and its leading protector. When money is as good as gold, the government cannot manipulate the supply for its own purposes. Just as the rule of law puts limits on the despotic use of police power, a gold standard puts extreme limits on the government's ability to spend, borrow, and otherwise create crazy unworkable programs. It is forced to raise its revenue through taxation, not inflation, and generally keep its house in order.

Without the gold standard, government is free to work with the Fed to inflate the currency without limit. Even in our own times, we've seen governments do that and thereby spread mass misery.

Now, all governments are stupid but not all are so stupid as to pull stunts like this. Most of the time, governments are pleased to inflate their currencies so long as they don't have to pay the price in the form of mass bankruptcies, falling exchange rates, and inflation.

In the real world, of course, there is a lag time between cause and effect. The Fed has been inflating the currency at very high levels for longer than a year. The consequences of this disastrous policy are showing up only recently in the form of a falling dollar and higher gold prices. And so what does the Fed do? It is pulling back now. For the first time in nearly ten years, some measures of money (M2 and MZM) are showing a falling money stock, which is likely to prompt a second dip in the continuing recession.

Greenspan now finds himself on the horns of a very serious dilemma. If he continues to pull back on money, the economy could tip into a serious recession. This is especially a danger given rising protectionism, which mirrors the events of the early 1930s. On the other hand, a continuation of the loose policy he has pursued for a year endangers the value of the dollar overseas.

How much easier matters were when we didn't have to rely on the wisdom of exalted monetary central planners like Greenspan. Under the gold standard, the supply of money regulated itself. The government kept within limits. Banks were more cautious. Savings were high because credit was tight and saving was rewarded. This approach to economics is the foundation of a sustainable prosperity.

We don't have that system now for the country or the world, but individuals are showing their preferences once again. By driving up the price of gold, prompting gold producers to become profitable again, the people are expressing their lack of confidence in their leaders. They have decided to protect themselves and not trust the state. That is the hidden message behind the new luster of gold.

Is a gold standard feasible again? Of course. The dollar could be redefined in terms of gold. Interest rates would reflect the real supply and demand for credit. We could shut down the Fed and we would never need to worry again what the chairman of the Fed wanted. There was a time when Greenspan was nostalgic for such a system. Investors of the world have come to embrace this view even as Greenspan has completely abandoned it.

What keeps the gold standard from becoming a reality again is the love of big government and war. If we ever fall in love with freedom again, the gold standard will once more become a hot issue in public debate.

Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.


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Debate on the premise of the article welcomed.

Boonie Rat

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1 posted on 09/13/2002 5:54:35 AM PDT by Boonie Rat
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To: Boonie Rat
I second the motion
2 posted on 09/13/2002 6:01:02 AM PDT by Deuce
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To: Boonie Rat; 4ConservativeJustices; billbears
Some of the greatest legislation in the history of this great nation...

And very few at all will listen---because he was libertarian :-(

3 posted on 09/13/2002 6:04:23 AM PDT by Ff--150
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To: ghostrider; The Old Hoosier
Maybe this will enlighten you and you can you can argue between yourselves since no one else pays any attention to your inane comments...
4 posted on 09/13/2002 6:08:22 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: Boonie Rat
I have serious, serious reservations about going back to the gold standard. The appropriate scientists will tell you that there is only enough gold on Earth to fill a 60ft. cube.

I also am wary when he says that we should go back to the gold standard we had used in the past "because that's what the market had chosen". That sounds a lot like circular reasoning to me; we should choose it because we've already chosen it? Money is an abstract creation of humans, and it always has been. Gold was merely a shiny, pretty-looking representation of that concept.

5 posted on 09/13/2002 6:12:06 AM PDT by Tony Niar Brain
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To: Deuce
B U M P ! ! !
6 posted on 09/13/2002 6:12:15 AM PDT by Bigun
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To: Boonie Rat
It can certainly be argued that establishing the Federal Reserve was a mistake and that it would have been better to rely on the impersonal discipline of gold. But it's here now, and it's huge. Trillions of dollars huge. So, abolishing it will NEVER HAPPEN this side of an absolute catastrophe, bigger than the Great Depression, something on the order of the fall of the Roman Empire.

Why? Because we are hooked on it.

7 posted on 09/13/2002 6:40:43 AM PDT by Cicero
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To: Ff--150; OWK
And very few at all will listen---because he was libertarian :-(

Credibility is a precious thing that most libertarians too easily squander. A key component of this failure traces to arrogance. Libertarians present themselves as being not just smarter and better-informed than their fellow citizens, but as being adepts possessing perfect knowledge that is beyond all debate--especially debate from the ignorant, religion-drunk, irrational masses.

Marx held similar disdain for these people he purported to want to set "free." Among the pedestrian pundit platoon, OWK perhaps best personifies this insufferable know-it-all arrogance at FR.

But the "ignorant, religion-drunk, irrational masses" possess commmon sense. And they discern in their bones immediately and powerfully that much of what the libertarian adept try to pass off as filet mignon--dope legalization, unrestricted borders, deconstruction of social strictures against sodomy and alternative marriages, laughably oversimplistic reliance on vague pleas for "non-initiation of force" as a government and religion subsitute etc--is putrid roadkill or insubstantial cotton candy.

The non-libertarian "ignorant masses" are not fooled, and they resent the libertarian assumption that they should be easily led to see the truth as the libertarian adepts conjure it.

This essay by Ron Paul is more notable for its relatively reserved manner than anything else. Once senses that he is trying to serve up raw meat for his easily-riled anti-Federal Reserve fan club while avoiding appearing to be too loopy to the gentiles. Ron Paul holds a precarious position. The fact that he is in Congress at all confers some small measure of credibility on him--more than any other libertarian or libertarian-cum-Republican in office today. He, at least, is obviously loathe to sacrifice too easily what has been so hard-won.

Does his dire critique of the Federal reserve hold water? It is his opinion first and foremost--not inarguable truth. It would be wise to remember that as one sift through the melange to separate the meat from the broth.

8 posted on 09/13/2002 6:54:28 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Boonie Rat
I can just imagine how that went.

Rep. Paul: "Mr. Speaker, I rise to introduce legislation to restore financial stability to America's economy by abolishing the Federal Reserve."

Speaker: "You're out of order! Sergeant-at-arms, club this man."

9 posted on 09/13/2002 6:55:06 AM PDT by inquest
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To: Ff--150
Without the ability to create money out of nothing, governments tend to run tight financial ships. Banks are more careful about the lending when they can't rely on a lender of last resort with access to a money-creation machine like the Fed.

Bingo. libertarian or not, Rep. Paul is right ;o) Greenbacks are just paper - a promise to pay something in return (more paper, and IOU?) Gold & silver certificates were promises to repay in Gold/Silver - which have intrinsic value. If any doubt it, please send me all your gold and silver in exchange for the paper I will send you. I'll even go "twofers".

By taking us off the gold-standard, the government can mint all the money it wants. The August figures I can find cite about 8,149 tonnes of gold (of which only 58% are actually gold reserves - not including gold certificates). As of today gold was trading at $319 per ounce, and there are 32,151 troy ounces in a metric tonne). 8149*32151*319 = $83,577,521,181 => 84 Billion in reserves possible *.58 => 48,474,962,284.98 or 49 Billion in actual reserves.

Just allowing for the SS debt (25 TRILLION) the US has less than .2% of the debt backed by gold. Or to put it another way, gold would have to be trading at $95,420 per oz to cover the SS debt.

10 posted on 09/13/2002 7:01:39 AM PDT by 4CJ
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To: Kevin Curry
Among the pedestrian pundit platoon, OWK perhaps best personifies this insufferable know-it-all arrogance at FR.

Kevin Curry's unabashed dictionary...

know-it-all n.

Anyone knowing more than I do. (see everyone)

11 posted on 09/13/2002 7:07:31 AM PDT by OWK
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Facts! Durn facts! It was so much fun playing like we could go back to the gold standard, Boo-HOo-ooo-woo :-(
12 posted on 09/13/2002 7:11:22 AM PDT by Ff--150
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
There is no intrinsic worth in gold other than in its utility as a soft metal.

Money, whether gold or paper, is simply a method of easily and quickly exchanging goods and services (the true wealth of a society)--present and anticipated future. Each dollar held is pregnant with innumerable potentional transformations. But its value is in its potential transformations--not in its utility per se.

If there is an argument to be made that Federal Reserve policies are artificial, needlessly meddlesome, and counterproduictive, that is a legitimate argument--one that Ron Paul appears to be making. But much of the anti-Federal Reserve rhetoric comes off as an irrational divining of witches.

13 posted on 09/13/2002 7:26:37 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Tony Niar Brain
Gold imposes a much needed DISCIPLINE to the system!!

(I wrote this a number of years ago when things were NOT going well with the economy. Trust me: They WILL get ugly once again as man -- or certain men -- cannot resist playing God. We continue to violate the universal, immutable laws of economics at our great peril.)

Despite the apparent economic strength of the American economy, history proves that EVERY house of cards eventually comes down. And the higher the card house, the harder the fall when it finally comes. And when it does, the more freedoms we will voluntarily surrender to "restore order." It was the Founders' concern about this historically valid problem which prompted their attempt -- now ignored -- to keep American "money" sound and honest.) Dick Bachert 1998

Oh yeah, almost forgot: File this under “Who Gives a Damn!”

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The Forgotten History of Money

This is the fascinating story of the efforts by certain of the Founding Fathers to prevent the economic distress we find all about us today. It is also a sad story on the basis that modern, "sophisticated" Americans have abandoned the corrective institutional mechanism that remains in place to this day. As you read it, think about a world with many fewer S&L, banking and political scandals and economic problems now considered the norm.

"Blood running in the streets. Mobs of rioters and demonstrators threatening banks and legislatures. Looting of shop and home. Strikes and unemployment. Trade and distribution paralyzed. Shortages of food. Bankruptcies everywhere. Court dockets overloaded. Kidnappings for heavy ransom. Sexual perversion, drunkenness, lawlessness rampant. The wheels of government are clogged, and we are descending into the vale of confusion and darkness. No day was ever more clouded than the present. We are fast verging on anarchy and confusion. (George Washington in a 1786 letter to James Madison, describing the effects of fiat paper money inflation then ravaging America in the pre-Constitutional period.)

"The annihilation (of the paper money) was so complete that barber-shops were papered in jest with the bills; and sailors, on returning from cruises, being paid off in bundles of this worthless money, had suits made of it, and with characteristic lightheartedness, turned their loss into frolic by parading through the streets in decayed finery which in its better days had passed for thousands of dollars." (Contemporary writer, Breck, 1786)

"Paper money polluted the equity of our laws, turned them into engines of oppression, corrupted the justice of our public administration, destroyed the fortunes of thousands who had confidence in it, enervated the trade and husbandry, and the manufactures of our country, and went far to destroy the morality of out people." (Peletiah Webster, 1786)

At the drafting of the U.S.Constitution, there were many "Friends of Paper Money" present. On August 16, 1787, when the discussion arose on Article 1, Section 8, the proposed wording was this: "The Legislature of the United States shall have the power to...coin money...and emit bills of credit of the United States."

A hot argument ensued on the power to emit bills of credit, which is another way of saying "printing paper money".

Here are the actual words James Madison wrote describing the debate in his diary: "Mr.G.Morris moved to strike out *and emit bills of credit.* If the United States had credit, such bills would be unnecessary; if they had not, unjust and useless.

MADISON: Will it not be sufficient to prohibit the making them a tender? This will remove the temptation to emit them with unjust views. And promissory notes in that shape may in some emergencies be best.

MORRIS: Striking out the words will leave room still for notes of a responsible minister which will do the good without the mischief. The monied interest will oppose the plan of the Government, if paper emissions be not prohibited.

COL.MASON: Though he had a mortal hatred to paper money, yet as he could not foresee all emergencies, we was unwilling to tie the hands of the Legislature [Legislature = Congress].

MR.MERCER:(A friend to paper money) It was impolitic...to excite the opposition of all those who were friends to paper money.

MR. ELSEWORTH thought this was a favorable moment to shut and bar the door against paper money. The mischiefs of the various experiments which had been made, were now fresh in the public mind and had excited the disgust of all the respectable part of America. By withholding the power from the new Government, more friends of influence would be gained to it than by almost anything else...Give the Government credit, and other will offer. The power may do harm, never good.

MR.WILSON: It will have a most salutary influence on the credit of the United States to remove the possibility of paper money. This expedient can never succeed whilst its mischiefs are remembered, and as long as it can be resorted to, it will be a bar to other resources. MR.READ thought the words, if not struck out, would be as alarming as the mark of the Beast in Revelation.

MR.LANGDON had rather reject the whole plan than retain the three words *and emit bills*".

The motion for striking out carried.

Historian George Bancroft later wrote: "James Madison left his testimony that *the pretext for a paper currency, and particularly for making the bills a tender, either for public or private debts, was cut off.* This is the interpretation of the clause, made at the time of its adoption by all the statesmen of that age, not open to dispute because too clear for argument, and never disputed so long as any one man who took part in framing the constitution remained alive."

ROGER SHERMAN(1721-1793)should be a name familiar to every American. As familiar as Washington, Madison, Jefferson and Adams. He is the only man to have signed all 4 documents surrounding the formation of the United States of America: The Continental Association of 1772, The Declaration of Independence, The Articles of Confederation and The United States Constitution. He was a Judge of the Superior Court in New Haven, Connecticut, serving that office with distinction from 1766 until 1788. He served as Treasurer of Yale University from 1765 to 1776. He was renouned for his high intelligence and unswerving honesty and was described by John Adams "as honest as an angel and as firm in the cause of American independence as Mount Atlas." He served in the U.S.Senate from 1791 until his death in 1793.

Why is Roger Sherman*s name unfamiliar? HE WAS AN ENEMY OF PAPER MONEY!! In 1751, Roger Sherman and his brother William sued James Battle for paying a debt to their shop in New Milford, Connecticut, in depreciating paper currency. Over a period of 15 months, Battle had charged "divers wares and merchandizes" amounting to 129 pounds of what Sherman assumed were pounds of Connecticut "Old Tenor", a stable currency whose value were well-preserved by taxation taking it out of circulation. But Battle assumed the debt was denominated in pounds of ever-depreciating Rhode Island currency, tendered in same, and the Shermans took a beating in the payment and sued for recovery of loss by depreciation. The Shermans lost when Battle argued that he was merely following the accepted custom of the day. In 1752, Sherman wrote his book "A Caveat Against Injustice or An Inquiry into the Evils of a Fluctuating Medium of Exchange" indicting UNBACKED PAPER MONEY.

It was this experience that Sherman brought to the Constitutional Convention and prompted him to rise on August 28,1787 and propose new, more restrictive wording to Article 1,Section 10. The standing version under consideration was worded this way: "No state shall coin money; nor grant letters of marque and reprisal; nor enter into any Treaty, alliance, or confederation; nor grant any title of Nobility." (From Madison’s Notes of the Convention) "Judge Sherman and Mr. Wilson moved to insert the words *coin money* the words *nor emit bills of credit, nor make any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts* making these prohibitions absolute, instead of making the measures allowable with the consent of the Legislature of the U.S. Mr. Sherman thought this a FAVORABLE CRISIS FOR CRUSHING PAPER MONEY. If the consent of the Legislature could authorize emissions of it, the friends of paper money would make every exertion to get into the Legislature in order to license it." Mr. Sherman*s and Mr. Wilson*s motion was quickly agreed to and became the supreme law of the land.

Some additional quotations to ponder:

"All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise not from defects in the constitution or confederation, nor from a want of honor or virtue so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation" (John Adams in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 1787)

"I deny the power of the general government to making paper money, or anything else, a legal tender." (Thomas Jefferson)

"You have been doubtless been informed, from time to time, of the happy progress of our affairs. The principal difficulties seem in great measure to have been surmounted. Our revenues have been considerably more productive than it was imagined they would be. I mention this to show the spirit of enterprise that prevails." (George Washington in a letter to the Marquis de LaFayette, June 3, 1790 AFTER the United States Constitution prohibited unbacked paper money at Article 1, Section 10)

"Since the federal constitution has removed all danger of our having a paper tender, our trade is advanced fifty percent. Our monied people can trust their cash abroad, and have brought their coin into circulation." (December 16, 1789 edition of The Pennsylvania Gazette)

"Our country, my dear sir, is fast progressing in its political importance and social happiness." (George Washington in a letter to the Marquis de LaFayette, March 19, 1791)

"The United States enjoys a sense of prosperity and tranquility under the new government that could hardly have been hoped for." (George Washington in a letter to Catherine Macaulay Graham, July 19,1791)

"Tranquility reigns among the people with that disposition towards the general government which is likely to preserve it. Our public credit stands on that high ground which three years ago would have been considered as a species of madness to have foretold." (George Washington in a letter to David Humphreys, July 20, 1791)

"It is apparent from the whole context of the Constitution as well as the times which gave birth to it, that it was the purpose of the Convention to establish a currency consisting of the precious metals. These were adopted by a permanent rule excluding the use of a perishable medium of exchange, such as certain agricultural commodities recognized by the statutes of some States as tender for debts, or the still more pernicious expedient of PAPER CURRENCY." (Andrew Jackson, 8th Annual Message to Congress, December 5, 1836)

DESPITE WHAT YOU WERE TAUGHT IN SCHOOL, THE HISTORICAL RECORD IS CRYSTAL CLEAR: AMERICA WAS TO HAVE BEEN SPARED THE DESTRUCTIVE EFFECTS OF AN UNBACKED PAPER MONEY SYSTEM. MOST OF THE PROBLEMS WE FACE TODAY CAN BE TRACED TO WHAT ANDREW JACKSON CALLED "THE PERNICIOUS EXPEDIENT OF PAPER MONEY".

HISTORY TEACHES THAT AN "ARTIFICIAL" MONEY CREATES AN "ARTIFICIAL" WORLD WHERE THE PRICE FOR SOME ITEM...EVEN OUR MOST POPULAR WELFARE "PROGRAM"...CAN BE DEFERRED TO FUTURE GENERATIONS (OUR $11 TRILLION NATIONAL DEBT) OR PAID WITH A "MONEY" CREATED OUT OF THIN AIR WHICH ROBS THE VALUE FROM THE MONEY WE MIGHT BE UNFORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE IN OUR POCKETS AT THAT MOMENT (INFLATION). AND ONE THING YOU MUST REMEMBER ABOUT INFLATION IS THAT IT IS NOT AN "EQUAL OPPORTUNITY" DESTROYER: THOSE FIRST IN LINE TO GET THEIR HANDS ON THE NEW MONEY ROLLING OFF THE PRESSES (THE MODERN FRIENDS OF PAPER MONEY) HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEND IT BEFORE IT LOSES ITS VALUE. THE LITTLE PEOPLE (THAT’S US, FOLKS!) FARTHEST DOWN THE LINE ARE THE ONES WHO FEEL THE FULLEST EFFECTS OF THIS DESTRUCTIVE PROCESS.

14 posted on 09/13/2002 7:30:21 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Ff--150
Facts! Durn facts! It was so much fun playing like we could go back to the gold standard, Boo-HOo-ooo-woo :-(

Facts do get in the way don't they? If you want to use the entire amount of US money in circulation (M3: approx $8.310 trillion as of 31 Aug 2002 - figures from the Federal Reserve Board released 12 Sep 2002) instead of the SS debt, the picture still doesn't improve.

Also note that the weekly average of the M3 supply rose from $8.1487T (10 Jun 2002) to $8.3234T (2 Sep 2002), an increase (from something) of $174.7 billion in just a few months.

15 posted on 09/13/2002 7:38:16 AM PDT by 4CJ
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To: Tony Niar Brain
Gold standard theory does not mandate that all coin be rendered in gold. It does allow for paper money - in the form of gold certificates. The theory is that for every X number of dollars, there is X numbers of ounces of gold.

I would prefer a "pressious metals index" that would be set by congress. This allows the inclusion of all held and unfettered metals. The amount of silver, platinum, etc would be converted to standard gold oz by value based upon current market. Added with the actual (again unfettered) gold oz, this would then tell us how much money can be in circulation.

There is another theory that also uses assets (currency, debt, bonds, etc.) of other nations that are held. I do not like this idea as it creates an association between our money value and other nation's health.

The Treasury would be limited to estimating amount of currency in the total market and the number of oz of gold held (through the pressious metals index). The treasury would then be required to modify the volume of currency printed / distroyed in order to maintain the balance perscribed by Congress.

Congress could change the ratio.
16 posted on 09/13/2002 7:43:16 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Boonie Rat
I agree with Ron paul. But, I am afraid, it won't happen. Not as long there are Liberals, and Democrats, Socialists, and Closet Communists in Congress. Not to mention, RINO Republicans and Country Club Republicans in Congress.

Personally, the first step that is required to abolish the FED is to repeal the 17th Amendment. That will get the modern day royality out of office.

Then, the direct repeal of the 16th Amendment would then be much more probable.
17 posted on 09/13/2002 7:50:53 AM PDT by vannrox
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To: Kevin Curry
But much of the anti-Federal Reserve rhetoric comes off as an irrational divining of witches.

To me, it just looks like free-market theory applied to the monetary sphere. And there's certainly nothing irrational about free-market theory. It's quite a proven potion!

18 posted on 09/13/2002 7:53:10 AM PDT by inquest
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To: taxcontrol
The major problem with the gold standard is:

Availability

Gold, being a finite resource, could allow one to "corner" the market, and control the resource, manipulating the market price, and availability of gold. The Hunt brothers attempted this some time back with silver. They failed, but had they succeeded, the price of silver would have been virtually under the control of a single individual, who would probably NOT have your and my best interest at heart.

South Africa currently produces between a quarter and a third of the gold in the world today. In a gold standard world, they would dictate the price, and we would have little alternative but to pay whatever they asked us to. Every country would lose control of their monetary policy, simply because the source could not be controlled by said country, and the source would be vulverable to manipulation. A prime example of this "cornering" is what DeBeers does currently with diamonds. The price of diamonds are what they are because DeBeers says so, and for no other reason.

I fail to see how reverting to a gold standard would provide any stability to money. Quite the opposite.

19 posted on 09/13/2002 8:10:52 AM PDT by Mr. Quarterpanel
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Then 174.7 Billion increase in 3M over three months would seem inflationary? Seems like the mainstream press would report on such important news...
20 posted on 09/13/2002 8:10:58 AM PDT by Ff--150
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