It is a fact the ship carried nuclear material that was "hot" . Period. The question now is WHAT KIND and HOW MUCH and WHERE IS IT NOW and WHO are the players in all directions. The signature of the material is quickly ascertained. Samples are placed in a programmed counter of various emissions and energy profiles. The big question is where the stuff is now. What were the ships stops , port of call, AFTER the Straits of Malacca and the various Muslim and Muslim/Balkan stops?
I am pretty sure the gov wouldn't come out and declare a nuke was found. I am not sure what they would do. The problem remains that we do not want New Yorkers going vigilante on any and every Muslim they encounter. That is the problem. And the reason we may never know all the facts in this incidences.
It is a fact the ship carried nuclear material that was "hot" . Period. The question now is WHAT KIND and HOW MUCH and WHERE IS IT NOW and WHO are the players in all directions. . . . The big question is where the stuff is now. What were the ships stops , port of call, AFTER the Straits of Malacca and the various Muslim and Muslim/Balkan stops?Here's two tables from Mitchell, who did a fantastic search job last night as this topic unfolded.
A close look at yesterday's thread is strongly recommended.
Liberian Ship Held 6 Miles off Coast of Manhattan
[from Mitchell]
Before it disappears from the web, I thought I would document the itinerary of the Palermo Senator's current trip, obtained from the Senator Lines schedule web page.
Note that it appears to be running a day late. (Arrival in New York was scheduled for Sept. 10, 2002, 4:18 a.m. I don't know if the trip just took a day longer than expected, or if the Coast Guard stopped the ship yesterday.)
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Current/Nearest Status : PALERMO SENATOR 0948 |
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Arrival time |
Berthing Time |
Cut-Off Time |
Departure Time |
| NEW YORK,NY |
10SEP02 04:18 |
10SEP02 08:00 |
09SEP02 19:00 |
11SEP02 22:00 |
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Full Schedule |
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Arrival time |
Berthing Time |
Cut-Off Time |
Departure Time |
| PUSAN |
29JUL02 23:00 |
30JUL02 05:00 |
29JUL02 04:00 |
31JUL02 04:00 |
| SHANGHAI |
01AUG02 09:00 |
01AUG02 16:54 |
31JUL02 09:00 |
02AUG02 15:30 |
| HONG KONG |
04AUG02 22:00 |
04AUG02 23:00 |
03AUG02 18:00 |
06AUG02 01:00 |
| SINGAPORE |
09AUG02 13:00 |
09AUG02 14:15 |
08AUG02 09:00 |
10AUG02 03:45 |
| PORT KLANG |
10AUG02 15:30 |
10AUG02 17:18 |
09AUG02 20:00 |
11AUG02 05:15 |
| SUEZ (EL SUWEIS) |
22AUG02 02:40 |
22AUG02 10:05 |
21AUG02 13:00 |
22AUG02 20:05 |
| GIOIA TAURO |
25AUG02 01:12 |
25AUG02 02:24 |
24AUG02 13:00 |
25AUG02 18:50 |
| LA SPEZIA |
26AUG02 23:18 |
27AUG02 00:35 |
26AUG02 19:00 |
28AUG02 09:36 |
| FOS SUR MER |
29AUG02 05:30 |
29AUG02 04:00 |
29AUG02 01:00 |
29AUG02 20:00 |
| VALENCIA |
31AUG02 05:48 |
31AUG02 06:30 |
30AUG02 20:00 |
01SEP02 04:30 |
| NEW YORK,NY |
10SEP02 04:18 |
10SEP02 08:00 |
09SEP02 19:00 |
11SEP02 22:00 |
| NORFOLK,VA |
12SEP02 15:00 |
12SEP02 18:00 |
11SEP02 20:00 |
13SEP02 08:00 |
| SAVANNAH,GA |
14SEP02 15:00 |
14SEP02 18:00 |
14SEP02 01:00 |
15SEP02 06:00 |
| VALENCIA |
25SEP02 19:00 |
25SEP02 20:00 |
25SEP02 08:00 |
27SEP02 02:00 |
| LA SPEZIA |
28SEP02 12:00 |
28SEP02 13:00 |
28SEP02 01:00 |
29SEP02 19:00 |
| GIOIA TAURO |
01OCT02 02:00 |
01OCT02 04:00 |
30SEP02 16:00 |
02OCT02 01:00 |
| SUEZ (EL SUWEIS) |
04OCT02 19:00 |
04OCT02 19:00 |
04OCT02 07:00 |
05OCT02 18:00 |
| JEDDAH |
07OCT02 04:00 |
07OCT02 06:00 |
06OCT02 18:00 |
08OCT02 08:00 |
| KHOR FAKKAN |
13OCT02 06:00 |
13OCT02 07:00 |
12OCT02 19:00 |
14OCT02 05:00 |
| SINGAPORE |
22OCT02 05:00 |
22OCT02 06:00 |
21OCT02 18:00 |
22OCT02 19:00 |
| PUSAN |
28OCT02 15:00 |
28OCT02 16:00 |
28OCT02 04:00 |
29OCT02 12:00 |
| SHANGHAI |
30OCT02 17:00 |
30OCT02 21:00 |
30OCT02 09:00 |
01NOV02 00:00 |
| HONG KONG |
03NOV02 05:00 |
03NOV02 06:00 |
02NOV02 18:00 |
04NOV02 10:00 |
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27 posted on 9/11/02 1:55 PM Eastern by Mitchell
To: Mitchell
Here's the schedule of the Palermo Senator's previous trip, which shows when it was last in Jeddah, for instance:
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Full Schedule : PALERMO SENATOR 0947 |
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Arrival time |
Berthing Time |
Cut-Off Time |
Departure Time |
| PUSAN |
29APR02 12:00 |
29APR02 12:45 |
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30APR02 09:00 |
| SHANGHAI |
01MAY02 23:18 |
02MAY02 06:12 |
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02MAY02 22:30 |
| HONG KONG |
05MAY02 14:00 |
05MAY02 14:36 |
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06MAY02 16:15 |
| SINGAPORE |
09MAY02 22:00 |
09MAY02 23:00 |
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10MAY02 15:55 |
| PORT KLANG |
11MAY02 04:54 |
11MAY02 06:18 |
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11MAY02 16:30 |
| SUEZ (EL SUWEIS) |
22MAY02 20:12 |
23MAY02 09:45 |
22MAY02 13:00 |
23MAY02 19:50 |
| GIOIA TAURO |
25MAY02 23:24 |
26MAY02 00:42 |
25MAY02 13:00 |
26MAY02 15:50 |
| LA SPEZIA |
27MAY02 19:06 |
28MAY02 00:42 |
27MAY02 19:00 |
30MAY02 04:00 |
| FOS SUR MER |
30MAY02 17:42 |
30MAY02 18:54 |
30MAY02 01:00 |
31MAY02 04:20 |
| VALENCIA |
01JUN02 01:30 |
01JUN02 11:30 |
31MAY02 20:00 |
02JUN02 12:15 |
| NEW YORK,NY |
11JUN02 04:06 |
11JUN02 07:18 |
10JUN02 19:00 |
12JUN02 11:07 |
| NORFOLK,VA |
13JUN02 03:48 |
13JUN02 06:30 |
12JUN02 20:00 |
14JUN02 03:10 |
| SAVANNAH,GA |
15JUN02 09:00 |
15JUN02 13:18 |
15JUN02 01:00 |
16JUN02 01:10 |
| VALENCIA |
26JUN02 10:00 |
27JUN02 00:12 |
26JUN02 08:00 |
28JUN02 04:00 |
| LA SPEZIA |
29JUN02 13:12 |
01JUL02 21:12 |
29JUN02 01:00 |
03JUL02 06:54 |
| GIOIA TAURO |
04JUL02 07:43 |
04JUL02 09:42 |
01JUL02 16:00 |
05JUL02 03:20 |
| SUEZ (EL SUWEIS) |
07JUL02 19:00 |
07JUL02 19:00 |
05JUL02 07:00 |
08JUL02 18:00 |
| JEDDAH |
10JUL02 03:00 |
10JUL02 03:48 |
07JUL02 18:00 |
10JUL02 19:00 |
| KHOR FAKKAN |
15JUL02 12:00 |
15JUL02 12:54 |
13JUL02 19:00 |
16JUL02 04:15 |
| SINGAPORE |
23JUL02 20:10 |
23JUL02 21:10 |
22JUL02 18:00 |
24JUL02 12:25 |
| PUSAN |
29JUL02 23:00 |
30JUL02 05:00 |
29JUL02 04:00 |
31JUL02 04:00 |
| SHANGHAI |
01AUG02 09:00 |
01AUG02 16:54 |
31JUL02 09:00 |
02AUG02 15:30 |
| HONG KONG |
04AUG02 22:00 |
04AUG02 23:00 |
03AUG02 18:00 |
06AUG02 01:00 |
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