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To: chemainus
It is a fact the ship carried nuclear material that was "hot" . Period. The question now is WHAT KIND and HOW MUCH and WHERE IS IT NOW and WHO are the players in all directions. . . . The big question is where the stuff is now. What were the ships stops , port of call, AFTER the Straits of Malacca and the various Muslim and Muslim/Balkan stops?

Here's two tables from Mitchell, who did a fantastic search job last night as this topic unfolded.

A close look at yesterday's thread is strongly recommended.

Liberian Ship Held 6 Miles off Coast of Manhattan


[from Mitchell]

Before it disappears from the web, I thought I would document the itinerary of the Palermo Senator's current trip, obtained from the Senator Lines schedule web page.

Note that it appears to be running a day late. (Arrival in New York was scheduled for Sept. 10, 2002, 4:18 a.m. I don't know if the trip just took a day longer than expected, or if the Coast Guard stopped the ship yesterday.)

  Current/Nearest Status : PALERMO SENATOR 0948
Port Arrival time Berthing Time Cut-Off Time Departure Time
NEW YORK,NY 10SEP02 04:18 10SEP02 08:00 09SEP02 19:00 11SEP02 22:00
  Full Schedule
 
Port Arrival time Berthing Time Cut-Off Time Departure Time
PUSAN 29JUL02 23:00 30JUL02 05:00 29JUL02 04:00 31JUL02 04:00
SHANGHAI 01AUG02 09:00 01AUG02 16:54 31JUL02 09:00 02AUG02 15:30
HONG KONG 04AUG02 22:00 04AUG02 23:00 03AUG02 18:00 06AUG02 01:00
SINGAPORE 09AUG02 13:00 09AUG02 14:15 08AUG02 09:00 10AUG02 03:45
PORT KLANG 10AUG02 15:30 10AUG02 17:18 09AUG02 20:00 11AUG02 05:15
SUEZ (EL SUWEIS) 22AUG02 02:40 22AUG02 10:05 21AUG02 13:00 22AUG02 20:05
GIOIA TAURO 25AUG02 01:12 25AUG02 02:24 24AUG02 13:00 25AUG02 18:50
LA SPEZIA 26AUG02 23:18 27AUG02 00:35 26AUG02 19:00 28AUG02 09:36
FOS SUR MER 29AUG02 05:30 29AUG02 04:00 29AUG02 01:00 29AUG02 20:00
VALENCIA 31AUG02 05:48 31AUG02 06:30 30AUG02 20:00 01SEP02 04:30
NEW YORK,NY 10SEP02 04:18 10SEP02 08:00 09SEP02 19:00 11SEP02 22:00
NORFOLK,VA 12SEP02 15:00 12SEP02 18:00 11SEP02 20:00 13SEP02 08:00
SAVANNAH,GA 14SEP02 15:00 14SEP02 18:00 14SEP02 01:00 15SEP02 06:00
VALENCIA 25SEP02 19:00 25SEP02 20:00 25SEP02 08:00 27SEP02 02:00
LA SPEZIA 28SEP02 12:00 28SEP02 13:00 28SEP02 01:00 29SEP02 19:00
GIOIA TAURO 01OCT02 02:00 01OCT02 04:00 30SEP02 16:00 02OCT02 01:00
SUEZ (EL SUWEIS) 04OCT02 19:00 04OCT02 19:00 04OCT02 07:00 05OCT02 18:00
JEDDAH 07OCT02 04:00 07OCT02 06:00 06OCT02 18:00 08OCT02 08:00
KHOR FAKKAN 13OCT02 06:00 13OCT02 07:00 12OCT02 19:00 14OCT02 05:00
SINGAPORE 22OCT02 05:00 22OCT02 06:00 21OCT02 18:00 22OCT02 19:00
PUSAN 28OCT02 15:00 28OCT02 16:00 28OCT02 04:00 29OCT02 12:00
SHANGHAI 30OCT02 17:00 30OCT02 21:00 30OCT02 09:00 01NOV02 00:00
HONG KONG 03NOV02 05:00 03NOV02 06:00 02NOV02 18:00 04NOV02 10:00
   
 
  
   
 
 

27 posted on 9/11/02 1:55 PM Eastern by Mitchell
To: Mitchell

Here's the schedule of the Palermo Senator's previous trip, which shows when it was last in Jeddah, for instance:

  Full Schedule : PALERMO SENATOR 0947
 
Port Arrival time Berthing Time Cut-Off Time Departure Time
PUSAN 29APR02 12:00 29APR02 12:45   30APR02 09:00
SHANGHAI 01MAY02 23:18 02MAY02 06:12   02MAY02 22:30
HONG KONG 05MAY02 14:00 05MAY02 14:36   06MAY02 16:15
SINGAPORE 09MAY02 22:00 09MAY02 23:00   10MAY02 15:55
PORT KLANG 11MAY02 04:54 11MAY02 06:18   11MAY02 16:30
SUEZ (EL SUWEIS) 22MAY02 20:12 23MAY02 09:45 22MAY02 13:00 23MAY02 19:50
GIOIA TAURO 25MAY02 23:24 26MAY02 00:42 25MAY02 13:00 26MAY02 15:50
LA SPEZIA 27MAY02 19:06 28MAY02 00:42 27MAY02 19:00 30MAY02 04:00
FOS SUR MER 30MAY02 17:42 30MAY02 18:54 30MAY02 01:00 31MAY02 04:20
VALENCIA 01JUN02 01:30 01JUN02 11:30 31MAY02 20:00 02JUN02 12:15
NEW YORK,NY 11JUN02 04:06 11JUN02 07:18 10JUN02 19:00 12JUN02 11:07
NORFOLK,VA 13JUN02 03:48 13JUN02 06:30 12JUN02 20:00 14JUN02 03:10
SAVANNAH,GA 15JUN02 09:00 15JUN02 13:18 15JUN02 01:00 16JUN02 01:10
VALENCIA 26JUN02 10:00 27JUN02 00:12 26JUN02 08:00 28JUN02 04:00
LA SPEZIA 29JUN02 13:12 01JUL02 21:12 29JUN02 01:00 03JUL02 06:54
GIOIA TAURO 04JUL02 07:43 04JUL02 09:42 01JUL02 16:00 05JUL02 03:20
SUEZ (EL SUWEIS) 07JUL02 19:00 07JUL02 19:00 05JUL02 07:00 08JUL02 18:00
JEDDAH 10JUL02 03:00 10JUL02 03:48 07JUL02 18:00 10JUL02 19:00
KHOR FAKKAN 15JUL02 12:00 15JUL02 12:54 13JUL02 19:00 16JUL02 04:15
SINGAPORE 23JUL02 20:10 23JUL02 21:10 22JUL02 18:00 24JUL02 12:25
PUSAN 29JUL02 23:00 30JUL02 05:00 29JUL02 04:00 31JUL02 04:00
SHANGHAI 01AUG02 09:00 01AUG02 16:54 31JUL02 09:00 02AUG02 15:30
HONG KONG 04AUG02 22:00 04AUG02 23:00 03AUG02 18:00 06AUG02 01:00
   
 
  
   
 
 

421 posted on 09/12/2002 2:06:05 PM PDT by henbane
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To: henbane; All
Without going through the thread--

Has anyone else speculated on the stops this ship makes in the PRC + Islamic countries? Strikes me as remotely possible that IF a nuke was/is on board that some parties might have seen a chance to do some real damage to NY or Norfolk, and have the diaper heads take the blame...

Just idle speculation.
441 posted on 09/12/2002 3:59:06 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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