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Special Ops boarding ship to search for Nuclear Material off the NJ shore
Fox News Alert | 9/12/02 | Brytani

Posted on 09/12/2002 10:15:38 AM PDT by Brytani

Fox News just broke in with an alert. Special Op's are now searching a Liberian flagged ship 8 miles off the coast of NJ looking for nuclear material. More information to follow.


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: nuclearweapons; ship; specialops; terrorism
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To: Robe
The guy in raggy jeans in the third row is cheatng!

Mad Vlad
321 posted on 09/12/2002 11:59:26 AM PDT by madvlad
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To: Thud
The second drives to a target (ballpark, theater, shopping mall, etc.), hauls the violently radioactive chunk out and sits there until he starts vomiting. Hundreds or even thousands of people could receive lethal doses without knowing it until days later. That is really scary.

To say the least. Thanks for posting that.

322 posted on 09/12/2002 12:00:15 PM PDT by dubyagee
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To: piasa; wardaddy; harpseal
The North Koreans and Jamaican smugglers (interesting juxtoposition) have both independently developed a new class of vessels called "semi submersibles". The North Koreans use them for smuggling agents, the Jamaicans use them for smuggling dope past the USCG from Jamaica to the Bahamas. I suspect the North Korean ship had a "semi submersible" in the aft compartment ready to launch agents.

Semi submersibles are wood (older ones) or fiberglass for low radar signature, and use small sailboat engines which exhaust their gases underwater to disperse the heat signature. They have only inches of freeboard above the waterline, and pumps hose cold seawater onto carpet remnents fixed over the very well insulated engine compartments to knock down any IR signature.

They go slow (@ 5 knots) for no wake signature (big "go-fast" wakes are easy to see from the air) and have a very long range, over 1000 miles if needed. They can pass within a mile of a cutter and not be seen, and are easy and cheap to build covertly, far easier to build and operate than true submersibles, and nearly as stealthy. With GPS connected to anautopilot, they can even be sent as unmanned drones. A semisubmersible carrying a WMD could be launched at sea, and sent right into a US harbor by GPS and autopilot, or a happy Jihadist could do the navigating.

I'm not saying that anything like a semi submersible is likely to be used in this case, I just want to bring folks up to speed on what's out there in the happy world of smuggling (dope, agents or WMDs).

323 posted on 09/12/2002 12:01:02 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: B-Chan
Great post, thanks for the explanation. I guess the big question now is whether it was neutron radiation. I've had Fox News on in the background all day, and it seems a little strange to me that they are not dwelling on this issue with the "Fox News Alerts" every five minutes like they usually do. They have been relatively quiet about this ship.
324 posted on 09/12/2002 12:01:03 PM PDT by Jennifer in Florida
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To: kinghorse
1) Dispatch two Ohio-class boomers to the Arabian sea.

2) Notify Riyadh, Damascus, Teheran, Baghdad and Islamabad that they will cease to exist within 48 hours of a nuclear detonation in or near the United States.

3) Oh yeah, by the way-if the people who loaded neutrons onto this ship are not at Camp XRay by Saturday afternoon, they will cease to exist anyway.

325 posted on 09/12/2002 12:01:17 PM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: Travis McGee
Holy borders, Travis!

I think I'll be having a drink or three tonight.

326 posted on 09/12/2002 12:01:43 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Cachelot
"first reports indicated that they detected "fluctuating" radiation. I thought that a bit odd."

It was probably from the cargo on pleasure boats passing by. The ones driven by the guys with the cotton helmets. LOL

327 posted on 09/12/2002 12:03:11 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: crypt2k
Ther terrorist in the Italian shipping container also had a WASHING MACHINE in a box with him.

The speculation was the washing machine was the stand-in for a nuke on a "dry run" to test the smuggling system.

328 posted on 09/12/2002 12:04:09 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Jim Noble
You don't need to send the Boomers into the Arabian Sea, just send them to sea anywhere. You need to add Mecca and Medina to the list of possible parking lots.
329 posted on 09/12/2002 12:04:15 PM PDT by CatoRenasci
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To: Travis McGee
Travis, this is one of those things that I don't think anything will fix. I have worked in a space that was subject to Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty inspection visits, and the size of an INF Treaty "controlled item" (i.e., something that the inspectors could demand to look inside) was a file cabinet drawer. They couldn't shuffle through papers inside the cabinet, but they had every right to demand that the cabinet be opened up so they could make sure it ONLY had papers in it.]

The "Davy Crockett" was a recoilless rifle roundwith a nuclear warhead. Casing diameter was 11 inches at its widest point; length was 30 inches long. Yield was variable from 0.01 kilotons (about four-five times as big as the Alfred P. Murrah Building truck bomb) to 1 kiloton (400-500 times as large as the APMFB device).

Something like that would fit inside a file cabinet. I don't see how you could check everything closely enough to prevent a cagey opponent from smuggling in a small nuke--one could simply hide it inside an electrical transformer casing with layers of boron-impregnated foam rubber and lead to stop the signatures from leaking out.

I'm going to have to find Erwin Strauss' book, Basement Nukes: the Consequences of Cheap Weapons of Mass Destruction.

330 posted on 09/12/2002 12:04:34 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: twigs
The important question is whether their wetsuits are orange or black, while transporting the nuke.
331 posted on 09/12/2002 12:04:55 PM PDT by js1138
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To: twigs
>>What do you make of it?<<

I think the bad guys are smart (tactically) and understand that there are many ways to surprise us.

Man-portable nukes delivered underwater to NYC (they are obsessed with NYC) or to DC would be very surprising, no? Especially if they were seeded by a mothership that was long gone by the time they went off.

I can't believe any Muslim male noncitizen is still in this country-just cannot effin' believe it.

332 posted on 09/12/2002 12:04:59 PM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: EternalHope
>>WHAT WERE THE NOISES?<<

The airlock opening and closing?

333 posted on 09/12/2002 12:05:39 PM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: Travis McGee
Remember that strange story of the submarine found in Colombia a couple of years ago.

Almost as strange as the Egyptian in the container, who apparently was released.
334 posted on 09/12/2002 12:05:52 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: B-Chan
A lot of information to digest, but I thank you for writing it.
335 posted on 09/12/2002 12:05:56 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Brytani

Pentagon sends team to test suspected radiation on ship off coast of New Jersey

Thursday, September 12, 2002
©2002 Associated Press

URL: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2002/09/12/national1454EDT0688.DTL

(09-12) 11:54 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) --  The Pentagon sent a team Thursday to try to determine if there are radioactive materials on a ship detained off the coast of New Jersey.

The specialists were to follow up after one test showed traces of radioactivity were detected in the cargo of the M/V Palermo Senator -- and a second test turned out inconclusive, defense officials said.

The Liberian-flagged container ship was ordered back to sea, that is, to stay in a security zone six miles offshore while the inspection continues, the Coast Guard said Wednesday.

The ship was directed to a berth at the Port Newark/Elizabeth Marine Terminal after a Coast Guard team boarded the vessel Tuesday. Team members reported hearing suspicious sounds in several of the ship's cargo holds, but found no evidence of stowaways and said they could not determine the source.

Officials have declined to describe the cargo.

But trace radiation could come from a number of sources, such as clay, pipes that have been used for a long time underground in oil excavation and so on, defense officials said.

336 posted on 09/12/2002 12:06:46 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Brytani
Bibi giving our those in our gov and overseas hell for not seeing the danger Saddam is.

Good for him. Bibi and Blair are the only ones who get it. On another note, this is probably not related but it's NJ and you never know what will be uncovered at a later date. Again, look at the timing.

FBI agents search homes of two brothers, warehouse in Bergen County

The Associated Press - 9/12/02 2:54 AM

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- FBI agents searched the homes of two brothers and also went to a warehouse in Bergen County where one of them operates a business, but officials would not say what spurred the investigation.

Dozens of agents with the Joint Terrorism Task Force spent several hours Tuesday at CRC, a circuit-board manufacturing company in Maywood, The Record of Bergen County reported in Thursday's editions. They also searched the Ho-Ho-Kus home of its owner, Pradip "Paul" Kabaria, and the Paramus home of his brother, Ashok.

Pradip Kabaria would not comment, saying he wanted to speak first with his attorney, and Ashok Kabaria was not immediately available for comment. Witnesses said the agents photographed each property and removed several boxes filled with various items.

Joseph Valiquette, a spokesman for the FBI's New York office, would only say that the investigation was ongoing and that no arrests had been made. Special Agent Sandra Carroll, an FBI spokeswoman in Newark, confirmed that members of the Joint Terrorism Task Force had executed a search warrant at the Ho-Ho-Kus home, but declined further comment.

Bergen County Prosecutor John Molinelli said his department and other local law enforcement agencies were not told about the investigation until minutes before the searches began at all three properties. He said his offer to help in the investigation was declined.

337 posted on 09/12/2002 12:06:58 PM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: crypt2k
It would seem the terrorists have been training for sea retrieval for some time. Remember these threads...

FBI Warns of Scuba Diver Terror Attacks
Netscape Newscenter/Reuters ^ | 5.24.02

FBI Seeking Information On Scuba Training In Hunt For Terrorists
On Jun 12 3:27 AM with 6 comments

FBI questioning dive shop owners to head off terrorist attacks by scuba divers
On Jun 11 7:59 PM with 7 comments

FBI scrutinizes diving schools
On Jun 4 4:26 AM with 10 comments

Group of 5 Middle Eastern Men Purchase Special Diving Equipment In South Florida
On May 30 5:01 AM with 261 comments
338 posted on 09/12/2002 12:07:02 PM PDT by Prairie Pubbie
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To: hellinahandcart
I doubt if anything's "going to blow" all by itself

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what if clinton had a double jointed back?
339 posted on 09/12/2002 12:07:58 PM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz; Wallaby
Speaking of the Clintons, anybody know whether they have been in NYC and/or Chappaqua over the past couple of days?
340 posted on 09/12/2002 12:09:45 PM PDT by aristeides
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