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Huge Brawls between Somali students and Lewiston, Maine high schoolers
Lewiston Sun Journal ^ | September 12, 2002 | Lindsay Tice

Posted on 09/12/2002 8:28:18 AM PDT by gulfwarvet

School officials fielded anxious phone calls from parents Wednesday, one day after a fight between a Somali student and another teenager broke out at Lewiston High School and turned into an afternoon melee off school grounds.

“What we’re trying to do now is assure parents that we have a very safe school,” said Principal Patrick O’Neill.

Record-setting heat and community friction have caused tensions to rise recently in the 1,250-student high school, officials acknowledged. But, said Superintendent Leon Levesque, “The school has been very calm.”

On Wednesday, disruptions to the school came not from fights but from rampant rumors about weapons and further fights following Tuesday’s brawl near Marcotte Park, in which police arrested two men, neither of whom was a Lewiston High School student.

“It’s completely consumed our day,” said Levesque.

Lewiston police patrolled the area around the high school after school let out Wednesday afternoon. There were no fights.

“Everything was very peaceful and smooth,” said the school system’s Somali community liaison, Mohammed Abdi. He expected similar patrols to continue through the week.

As scheduled, Lewiston High School students will spend this week talking about Sept. 11, its aftermath and effect on Americans’ attitudes toward Muslims and immigrants. No special assemblies or events were planned to address Tuesday’s incident.

According to O’Neill, the confrontation started when a teenager who did not attend Lewiston High School followed a Somali student into the school’s lobby and taunted him. O’Neill said he interceded as the argument became physical and the Somali boy tried to restrain the other teen.

As is school policy, O’Neill suspended the Somali student for three days for his part in the fight. He told the other teenager to leave school property or he would be arrested.

According to police, the high school fight generated a large brawl at 2 p.m. near Marcotte Park. That one involved more than four dozen people.

Levesque said the high school has worked hard to combat rumors and to ease racial tensions there since Somali immigrants began moving into the city a year-and-a-half ago. But friction within the community has begun to cause renewed tension within the school.

While Levesque couldn’t predict whether such friction would lead to more battles at or around Lewiston High School, he hoped to see community leaders identify the issues causing the most contention and come up with resolutions soon.

“I think probably we need to look at this from a community perspective,” he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: lewiston; maine; somali
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To: Catphish
It would still be hard in those cases to know if it was race or more culture that was the problem. Asian kids are different culturally especially if they cling to their own groups and languages. I've seen schools that are mixed racially but the students are the same middle class background, and language (like some Catholic schools) where there weren't those kind of problems. I went to a Catholic high school for a year where the black kids were fine there but got picked on by public school black kids from different backgrounds who considered them to be uncle toms for not going to "their" schools --so that wasn't race as much as culture.
101 posted on 09/12/2002 11:55:58 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: ArcLight
True, no reason to believe this particular kid's parents were on welfare. If not, then he was a victim of his particular groups 'collective crimes'. Not fair, but hey, teenagers aren't the most mature of the species, especially the male variety...
102 posted on 09/12/2002 12:22:24 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
"Diversity is our strength."
103 posted on 09/12/2002 12:24:27 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: sparkydragon
Sorry, I wasn't able to help. You might try some of the following sites:

http://www.libertarianrock.com/topics/school/zero_tolerance_car_seeds.html

http://www.libertarianrock.com/topics/school/zero_tolerance_overrule.html

I also did some other research and now feel that the case I was refering to was 1975 SCOTUS ruling in Goss vs. Lopez.

Hope that helps.



104 posted on 09/12/2002 12:45:25 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: evolved_rage
Winter is coming. heh heh heh

Yeah, I was thinking that this morning when I was first reading the thread. Now that they've been up there, and have their bennies all set up for direct deposit, they'll probably move back down here :-(

105 posted on 09/12/2002 1:27:15 PM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: gulfwarvet
It seems like the Somali kid was unfairly suspended. He didn't start it, and the other guy shouldn't have been on school grounds.
106 posted on 09/12/2002 1:30:34 PM PDT by Torie
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To: LibWhacker
The melting pot is boiling over.
Thank you Bill Clinton.

Let's be honest and give "thanks" also to the Republicrat law-makers and Presidents - including this one, who've joined the Dem's pander game and also turned a blind eye to this invasion of our country.

107 posted on 09/12/2002 1:47:59 PM PDT by RodgerD
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To: ArcLight
Wonder what I mean when I complain about Freeper racism? Well, here ya go...

You would be very hard put to show any antagonism to any race in my observation, to which you are replying.

If you choose to cry "racism," everytime someone tries to analyze some factor involving human races, in respect to the problems of our times, you perhaps should do a little personal self-examination. Perhaps it is your own racial attitudes that are interfering with your objectivity.

My point was, and is, that the mutually insulting concept that the races require a social experiment in order to progress, and cannot do so without being mixed up with others, has undermined the self-respect and family values of each race afflicted with the idea. I offered a definite example, which can be varified by the skeptics. I could have offered others. But just why are you sure that you even want to object to my point?

While I am not sure of your racial background--and could care less;--my argument was a criticism of the "Liberal" theorists, not the people of any racial or ethnic background. If we cannot discuss the social dynamics, how can we address any social problem?

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

109 posted on 09/12/2002 2:16:39 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: andy_card
I stated: There is no evidence that mixing the races in the schools confers a positive benefit.

You replied: So you're advocating resegregation?

I am not advocating anything about Maine schools. I was simply making an observation, which I considered pertinent to the subject of this thread. There are many ways that the subject of school assignment can be approached, and rejecting one does not imply another.

Frankly, fixing the sociological mess that is afflicting American public education in many communities, would be no simple proposition. As a Constitutionalist, I believe that decisions pertaining to the criteria for school assignments, should be determined locally. As a believer in the family as the principal factor in both education and the continuity of Society, I would hope that local school districts try to make the local schools both congenial to the families in their district, and to the extent possible an extension of the home.

I do not believe that Maine ever had segregated schools to "resegregate," so your choice of words may be inappropriate. But my comment did not go to the idea of different races attending the same school. That need not be a problem--although in some cases it may involve problems. But my comment went to the deliberate attempt to engineer "racial diversity," not the incidental presence of diverse peoples in the same school. There is an essential difference.

In attending a diverse school, children need to learn tolerance, but they do not have to live with the implication that others are essential to their cultural development. They can progress within their own heritage, seeing their schooling as an extension--not a denial--of their family values, and learn to live and let live with others, at the same time. That is not the problem. The problem is in the idea that we need to be socially made over, which is implied by the notion that it is somehow wrong NOT to go to a racially diverse school.

There are other problems with diversity, and there may be some incidental benefits; but my comment was directed at the idea propounded by some on the Left, that deliberate mixing confers a positive benefit, and the implications of that notion.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

110 posted on 09/12/2002 2:34:00 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: gulfwarvet
However, it's all the more reason to be worried because this may upset the Somali community if they feel this suspension is an injustice.

So?

111 posted on 09/12/2002 2:51:43 PM PDT by metesky
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To: Jimer
Don't count on it.
112 posted on 09/12/2002 2:53:24 PM PDT by metesky
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To: Atlantian
Please! The Somali invasion has been all over the local papers for months.
113 posted on 09/12/2002 2:58:42 PM PDT by metesky
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To: Ohioan
I am not advocating anything about Maine schools.

I don't believe you. Your innocent "observations" seem heavily tilted towards segregation.

I do not believe that Maine ever had segregated schools to "resegregate,"

That is correct, largely due to the fact that the 6,600 black Downeasters constitute a whopping .5% of the population, according to the 2000 census. There aren't enough of them to make much difference one way or another in most of the state. But racial tensions exist elsewhere in the country, too, and you seem to be calling for resegregation.

. But my comment went to the deliberate attempt to engineer "racial diversity," not the incidental presence of diverse peoples in the same school. There is an essential difference.

By allowing local Somali children to attend public school, how is the Lewiston school board trying to "engineer racial diversity?" Your comments seem tangential to the issue at hand.

114 posted on 09/12/2002 3:01:11 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: FreedomFriend
I think it's time for America and Europe to "just say no" to third world immigration.
115 posted on 09/12/2002 3:08:02 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: Torie
Somali kid shouldn't have been in America in the first place, but, under the circumstances described, and limited to this particular situation, you are probably right.
116 posted on 09/12/2002 3:11:21 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: GOV'T MULE
Allen's coffee flavored brandy

As one of my Mainiac friends says about Maine women and their coffee brandy, "Ass in a glass."

117 posted on 09/12/2002 3:23:42 PM PDT by metesky
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To: FITZ
These Somalis are refugees. So they are in a special class and get access to full smorgasbord of Federal welfare bennies right off the bat.

 

http://www.brook.edu/dybdocroot/wrb/publications/pb/pb15.htm 
Refugees and asylees are eligible for all welfare benefits for the first seven years they reside in the U.S., after which their eligibility is greatly reduced. Non-citizens who have worked for ten years and armed forces personnel and their dependents are eligible for all benefits. Finally, some emergency benefits—especially Medicaid—are provided to all non-citizens.

http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:Yc0c_pHiJE8C:www.visaus.com/benefits.html+refugees++federal++benefits&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Supplemental Security Income

Q.  What is Supplemental Security Income (SSI)?
A.  SSI is a federally-funded program that provides cash benefits to low-income people who are aged, blind, or disabled.  Since SSI is a federal program, the rules about which noncitizens are eligible are the same regardless of the state in which one lives. SSI is administered by the Social Security Administration.

Q.  Can refugees receive SSI benefits?
A.  Refugees can receive SSI benefits if they meet all the requirements for eligibility (such as having limited income and resources and being aged or disabled) and meet one of the following six criteria:
    All refugees during their first seven years in the U.S. During their first seven years in the U.S., low-income refugees are eligible for SSI under the same rules as native-born citizens.  This rule applies to all refugees, regardless of when they entered the country or whether they have adjusted their status since entering the U.S.
   


118 posted on 09/12/2002 3:36:23 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: andy_card
Most of your comments are already answered by my post #110. I am not going to further nit pick with you. I could care less if you think that I have some ulterior design on any other community's school system. I have always advocated local control of public schools--believe it or not as you choose. But the following point does deserve a separate reply:

By allowing local Somali children to attend public school, how is the Lewiston school board trying to "engineer racial diversity?" Your comments seem tangential to the issue at hand.

I do not believe that the Lewiston school board is the one playing the social engineer here. But the sudden infusion of a substantial number of children from a radically different background into this local school is analogous to the experiments--such as bussing--that have taken place under the guise of deliberately promoting "diversity," elsewhere. And, frankly, I do not believe that this Somali community just spontaneously moved to Maine. They came as a group, and do not appear to be really part of the established Lewiston community. Therefore, the question arises how to handle the situation.

That analysis needs to start with a recognition that diversity is not some sort of inevitable benefit. And it probably would be better in this instance, if they had a separate school for these children--one run not by the people of Lewiston, but by their own parents, who understand their traditional values. (Wasn't it because they were being picked on for their eccentricities, which supposedly led to their being resettled over here?)

Beyond that, of course, our whole immigration policy needs to be questioned. But it looks likes it may be too late for that in Lewiston.

William Flax

119 posted on 09/12/2002 3:37:51 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: hellinahandcart
Great Ceasar's Ghost! Everybody read the story linked in post #32! Unfrigginbelievable!
"...It's like finding a small island in the middle of the Pacific," says Mohammed Abdi, who last year moved here from Decatur, Ga., and was quickly hired as the liaison between the city's schools and the burgeoning Somali community. "We put it on the map."

"... At the start of 2001, not a single Somali lived in Lewiston. The old textile mill city of 35,000 had been losing population for 20 years, and in the 2000 Census counted but 361 black residents.
Today, there are some 1,000 Somalis, black and Muslim, in this sheltered redoubt..."

"...The newcomers are arriving from several Somali communities in the United States, but mostly from Clarkston, Ga., an old railroad town outside Atlanta that in the last decade was transformed into an ersatz Ellis Island for refugees from every ravaged corner of the globe..."

In their exodus, they say they are looking for peace and quiet, cheaper housing,A MORE LIBERAL WELFARE SYSTEM, better
schools and a place to raise their children — families of seven or more are common —with fewer perils and temptations. That they are leaving a metro area renowned as an African-American mecca to resettle in Maine, home to fewer than 7,000 blacks in 2000, is less a matter of irony than intent, given the prickly state of their relations with African-Americans and a desire to protect their children from assimilating too quickly..."

"Kids wearing bandannas, pulling their pants down, walking funny. It's no good," says Abdiaziz Ali, a buoyant, boyish-looking 31-year-old father of five who came to Lewiston in April 2001.
Ali, the son of a physician in Somalia, was hired as a welfare caseworker and is now the nimble impresario of Lewiston's Somali influx, greeting new arrivals, signing them up for emergency financial assistance, finding them places to live. When Mohammed Abdi arrived, Ali made the introductions that led to his job..."
IS THIS A GREAT COUNTRY OR WHAT? Emigrate here and quickly get a job handing out welfare benefits to friends and family!
Maine is one of the poorest states in the union. They just have a penchant for electing wacky politicians. They can't afford this madness.
NEITHER CAN YOU!
120 posted on 09/12/2002 5:43:11 PM PDT by thegreatbeast
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