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The War Party's imperial plans
World Net Daily ^ | 9/11/2002 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 09/11/2002 3:32:38 PM PDT by traditionalist

The fires had not yet gone out at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, a year ago, before the War Party had introduced its revised plans for American empire. What many saw as a horrific atrocity and tragedy, they saw instantly as an opportunity to achieve U.S. hegemony over an alienated Islamic world.

President Bush initially directed America's righteous wrath and military power at al-Qaida. But in his "axis-of-evil" address, he signed on to the War Party's agenda.

What lies ahead? When America invades Iraq, it will have to destroy Saddam and all his weapons of mass destruction. Else, the war will have been a failure. And to ensure destruction of those weapons, we must occupy Iraq. If you would see what follows, pull out a map.

With Americans controlling Iraq, Syria is virtually surrounded by hostile powers: Israel on the Golan, Turks and Kurds to the north, U.S. power to the west in Iraq and south in Jordan. Syrian President Assad will be forced to pull his army out of Lebanon, leaving Israel free to reinvade Lebanon to settle accounts with Hezbollah.

Now look to Iran. With Americans occupying Iraq, Iran is completely surrounded: Americans and Turks to the west, U.S. power in the Gulf and Arabian Sea to the south, in Afghanistan to the east and in the old Soviet republics to the north. U.S. warplanes will be positioned to interdict any flights to Lebanon to support Hezbollah.

Iraq is the key to the Middle East. As long as we occupy Iraq, we are the hegemonic power in the region. And after we occupy it, a window of opportunity will open – to attack Syria and Iran before they acquire weapons of mass destruction.

This is the vision that enthralls the War Party – "World War IV," as they call it – a series of "cakewalks," short sharp wars on Iraq, Syria and Iran to eliminate the Islamic terrorist threat to us and Israel for generations.

No wonder Ariel Sharon and his Amen Corner are exhilarated. They see America's war on Iraq as killing off one enemy and giving Israel freedom to deal summarily with two more: Hezbollah and the Palestinians. Two jumps ahead of us, the Israelis are already talking up the need for us to deal with Libya, as well.

Anyone who believes America can finish Saddam and go home deceives himself. With Iraq's military crushed, the country will come apart. Kurds in the north and Shi'ites in the south will try to break away, and Iraq will be at the mercy of its mortal enemy, Iran. U.S. troops will have to remain to hold Iraq together, to find and destroy those weapons, to democratize the regime, and to deter Iran from biting off a chunk and dominating the Gulf.

Recall: After we crushed Germany and Japan in World War II, both were powerless to reassume their historic roles of containing Russia and China. So, America, at a cost of 100,000 dead in Vietnam and Korea, had to assume those roles. With Iraq in ruins, America will have to assume the permanent role of Policeman of the Persian Gulf.

But is this not a splendid vision, asks the War Party. After all, is this not America's day in the sun, her moment in history? And is not the crushing of Islamism and the modernization of the Arab world a cause worthy of a superpower's investment of considerable treasure and blood?

What is wrong with the War Party's vision?

Just this: Pro-American regimes in Cairo, Amman and Riyadh will be shaken to their foundations by the cataclysm unleashed as Americans smash Iraq, while Israelis crush Palestinians. Nor is Iran likely to passively await encirclement. Terror attacks seem certain. Nor is a militant Islam that holds in thrall scores of millions of believers from Morocco to Indonesia likely to welcome infidel America and Israel dictating the destiny of the Muslim world.

As for the pro-American regimes in Kabul and Pakistan, they are but one bullet away from becoming anti-American. And should the Royal House of Saud come crashing down, as the War Party ardently hopes, do they seriously believe a Vermont-style democracy will arise?

Since Desert Storm, America has chopped its fleets, air wings and ground troops by near 50 percent, while adding military commitments in the Balkans, Afghanistan, the Gulf and Central Asia. Invading and occupying Iraq will require hundreds of thousands of more troops.

We are running out of army. And while Americans have shown they will back wars fought with no conscripts and few casualties, the day is not far off when they will be asked to draft their sons to fight for empire, and many of those sons will not be coming home. That day, Americans will tell us whether they really wish to pay the blood tax that is the price of policing the War Party's empire.


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To: traditionalist
Okay. Go on living in your fantasy world.

You mean the one where people who represent the world's most infamous jew killers as courageous, are actually called and considered anti semitic jew haters?

Thanks... I think I will. I like a world where the arafats of this world are KNOWN to be absolute evil, and the navy seals are the good guys...
241 posted on 09/12/2002 6:19:10 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: traditionalist
War party is obviously a reference to the Demoncrats right?

I mean, Woodrow Wilson was in office During WWI as was Franklin Roosevelt In WWII not to mention Harry Truman for Korea and let's not forget Kennedy and LBJ for Vietnam. Did I forget Carter letting America be kept hostage and Clinton running from Somalia? But, they weren't wars.

The Republicans, on the other hand won the Cold War with President Reagan and the Persian Gulf War was a clearcut rout because is was done militarily right.

P.S. Nixon was villified for finally fighting the Vietnam War on terms favorable to the American, the unrestricted use of their power.

Oh well, I guess i draw a distinction between the party of war, The Demoncrats and the party of VICTORY, the Republicans.

242 posted on 09/12/2002 6:24:35 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Deja vu analysis by Isolationist, Pat B. The more things change, the more they stay the same. pat needs to get a new schtick... CATHOLIC ISOLATIONISM IN AMERICA

Father Coughlin in Cleveland

Father Coughlin addresses a rally in Cleveland (May 1936)

Catholic opinion in America is strong (about a quarter of the population of U.S.A. are Catholic). Hence Catholic opinion assumes quite an importance in relation to American public life.

Much publicity was given to the anti-Nazi utterances of the late Cardinal Mundelein, and the world has also become aware of Roosevelt's close co-operation with Cardinals of the Catholic Church, and of his decision to send Mr. Myron C. Taylor to the Vatican as his special envoy. Probably this co-operation has achieved more than any other measure in spreading the fallacious belief In democratic circles that the present policy of the Pope is anti-Fascist, and that in the present struggle the Pope and his Church stand arrayed against the Dictatorships. If that were the case, Catholic opinion in America would have been hard at work to break through the isolationist tendencies in American politics . Actually it has been the backbone of Isolationism. In America, as in England, the Roman Catholic community has been divided in its attitude to Hitlerism and the existing war. The New York Times reported, in connection with the Presidential election, the declaration of a body of 60 Roman Catholics (including 2 Bishops) calling for " all possible help to Great Britain" as "Hitlerism, like Communism, seeks to subvert Christianity." Taking Catholic opinion as a whole, however, in its political significance in America, its influence has been on the side of extreme isolationism. The following facts substantiate that charge.

The Catholic Herald has stated: "Catholic opinion in the States is virtually all in the Isolationist camp." "War -- We Stay Out," is the front-page slogan of American Catholic papers. The Jesuit weekly, America, has since the outbreak of war proclaimed the need for the strictest Isolationism. In its columns the American President has been condemned for having deserted "any semblance of neutral feeling." He is asked:

"Is it the fixed purpose of the President to disregard the authority of Congress and bring this country into an undeclared war against Germany and Italy? . . . No policy merits national support except a policy for adequate protection against attack. To say that our first line of defense is to come to the aid of Britain is to say that we are justified in attacking Germany and Italy. I do not think that claim can be sustained. As the Archbishop of Cincinnati has said, we have no moral justification for making war against these nations. . . . It is our duty to prepare to defend this country, in the unlikely, but possible, event of attack. It is no part of our duty, morally, or because of legitimate commitments, to prepare armaments to be used in England's aid." (Catholic Herald, July 19th, 1940.)

The insolent refusal of Henry Ford to supply aeroplane motors for Britain can well be mentioned in this connection, since his contact with Catholic circles, and particularly Catholic Fascist circles is so close. His own son, Edsel, married a Roman Catholic and turned Roman Catholic himself. Ford's grandson, Henry Ford II, has been received into the Catholic Church prior to his marriage to a Roman Catholic. It is reported that the elder Henry Ford is receiving instruction from a priest prior to his own entry into the Catholic Church. His contact with the Catholic pro-Nazi Fascist, Father Coughlin, is well known. During recent labour troubles in Detroit Father Coughlin's assistance was used to bring about a settlement. Incidentally, Free Europe (of October 4th, 1940) quoted a report of P.M., a New York evening newspaper stating that Ford has received the Order of the German Eagle, an emblem of honour given to "distinguished foreigners who have deserved well of the Reich." Certainly Coughlin's loyalty to Nazi Germany is not in doubt. He writes of that country:

"Perhaps, nothing is greater proof of the rottenness of the empire system than that one single unified, clean-living people, fired by an ideal to liberate the world once and for all from an orientalist gold-debt slave system of finance can march tireless over nation after nation, and bring two great empires to their knees."

In his own paper, Social Justice, he speaks of the future in terms of which the following is a summary:

" Great Britain is doomed and should be doomed. There is no danger of Hitler threatening the United States. We should build armaments for the purpose of crushing Soviet Russia in co-operation with the Christian Totalitarian States: Italy, Germany, Spain and Portugal." (See League for Human Rights Bulletin, Cleveland, Ohio.)

A campaign is on foot headed by Coughlin's movement and the International Catholic Truth Society to outlaw Gunther's book, Inside Europe, from the schools and libraries of America.

American Archbishops have used their influence in the same direction against the "rising war hysteria," and in furtherance of the slogan: "Leave Europe to God." The Cardinals of Boston, Pennsylvania, Curley and Philadelphia are notorious for their Isolationist propaganda. The following are typical statements of leading dignitaries of the Church.

Mgr. Duify of Buffalo declared that if the United States went to war with Soviet Russia as an ally, he for one would publicly ask Catholic men to refuse to fight. Archbishop Curley made thrusts at the European democracies saying:

"I ask you today not to be swayed by war propaganda. Many of us recall the propaganda of 22 years ago in this country and other countries. I am speaking particularly now of this country. We were asked to make the world Safe for Democracy. What Democracy? Our country was not invaded then; it is not being invaded now. We shall willingly and courageously defend America if needs be, but there is no reason why we should fight the battles of war-mad countries in Europe. We have done nothing to stir up strife in Europe. We are not responsible for what is going on over there. We want to live in peace and we must be determined to live in peace. Where are the democracies in Europe which we are called upon to save? I am not an exponent of totalitarian states, but again I ask, where are the democracies in Europe? "

Cardinal Dougberty of Philadelphia uttered this warning:

"Meddle not with what does not concern you lest you be used as a cat's paw by others."

At a "Sword of the Spirit Meeting" in London a Catholic speaker, Mr. Christopher Hollis, waxed indignant about the role of Continental and American Catholics in relation to the present war. Referring to America which he had recently visited he said:

"The main obstacle to pro-British sentiment, and one which has been giving the gravest concern to the authorities at Washington, has been the attitude of American Catholics. In America it is very easy, for instance, to publish accounts of the persecution of the Church in Germany in the non-Catholic Press; it is almost impossible to get Catholic publishers of papers to print anything of the kind. They suspect that it is a dodge to bring America into the war. There are, of course, notable exceptions among individual American Catholics, but it is somewhat humiliating that the most we can prove is that the Catholic support of Hitler has not been unanimous!'' (Catholic Herald, November 15th, 1940)

When the discussion of the Burke-Wadsworth Conscription Bill was before the country, Roman Catholic Prelates of eminence and Authority were in the vanguard of the opposition. True, they viewed the Bill with dismay for private reasons, because in its original formulation it did not exempt the clergy, lay brothers and seminarians from compulsory military service. But the American correspondent of the Catholic Herald at the time pointed out (see issue dated September 13th, 1940) that Catholics were opposed to the principle of the Bill since:

"There is a spreading alarm that the conscription is intended to build a huge army . . . that such an army would be called to the defense of Great Britain. It would be unfair to English Catholics to reveal the continued opposition on the part of very many American Catholics to any sort of aid being lent England.... England's cause has not been helped any, in the view of American Catholics, by the policies of the Pétain Government. The banishment of Freemasonry, the purge of Government officials, the restoration of the Family in France, Vichy's good relations with the Church ‹ all these serve to build the esteem with which American Catholics are ready to view the Pétain Government."
Pacelli
Cardinal Pacelli, later Pius XII, with Joseph P. Kennedy [left] (1936)

To crown all came the comment of the late Catholic American Ambassador to Britain, Mr. Joseph Kennedy, who on his return from this country to America is reported to have declared publicly that "Democracy is finished in England"; England's not fighting for Democracy; that's the "bunk stuff." And according to Sir Norman Angell's message from America, Kennedy's chief occupation since his return from England to America have been to raise the bogey that the socialists are running Britain, and that therefore schemes to associate closely America and Britain must be treated with due caution. It is obvious that the visit of Mr. Wendell Wilkie to this country early in 1941 was, in part, prompted by such alarmists talk. Both Mr. Kennedy and Henry Ford are prominent members of the "America First Committee" -- the latest form of organised Isolationism. Even after the Presidential Election and as late as January 3rd, 1941, the Catholic Herald in this country referred to the fact that:

"The Catholic community in America appears to be one of the strongest centres of isolationism, but it will find it increasingly difficult to maintain its point of view in the face of the majority decision."

And on March 14th, I941, that paper spoke of the "maintenance of a Catholic opinion" against the Lease and Lend Bill.

In considering the motives which possibly inspire Catholic Isolationism, the following points are worth mentioning. Naturally they are sustained both by general anti-war sentiment and the arguments of pro-Fascist saboteurs.

(1) As long as the Catholic Church, or more correctly her leaders, see a hope that the Fascist States and the Universal Church can work in harmony, or at least reach an agreement of sorts, no better perspective for the Church being in view, the advance of Fascism in general and Nazism in particular will not be regarded as a major disaster by Catholic forces. Many Catholics are Fascists at heart. But even the Catholics who have no love for the Fascist System are more easily reconciled to Fascist victories when those victories are accompanied by concessions to the Church or promises of these. Democratic Catholics found the Fascisms of Franco, Mussolini, Salazar and of Dollfuss tolerable because their Church gained ground at the same time.

(2) The Catholic creed in many of its fundamentals coincides with certain Fascist tenets (Authoritarianism and the Corporate State, for instance), so that Right-wing Catholic opinion very often veers round to the view that a "Christianised Fascism" offers more to the cause of Catholicism than is offered by Democracy, which is considered too tolerant towards Catholicism's opponents. Experience in Italy, Portugal, Spain, Austria (under Dollfuss) and now in Petain France strengthens this view, whilst the differences between the Church and the State in Germany are considered by the long-term diplomats of the Church to be too short-lived to present a decisive argument against the possibility of a Nazi-Catholic alliance.

(3) Should America become embroiled in the war as an ally of Britain, and the American Bishops become linked up with a patriotic campaign against Fascism, this might cause an acute cleavage within the Church at a time when, in some countries, she may have reached a tolerable understanding with Hitler and a whole bloc of Nazi-controlled Fascist States. The Pope would assuredly find such a state of affairs difficult to handle. We must not forget, in this connection, that almost all his funds come from America at the present time.

(4) Unquestionably the strongest reason for Catholic Isolationism in America is that which springs from the rabid anti-Bolshevism which is almost an obsession in practically all Catholic circles. lt is probably feared that should America join forces with Britain, this will drive Germany into a position of greater dependency on Russia, which may result in a further "peaceful expansion" of Soviet territory and rule with the tacit consent of Germany. On the other hand, Catholics in America may believe that a Britain which is denied full American aid will be eventually compelled to seek a solution with Germany on the basis of an anti-Russian orientation in international politics . An alternative perspective is also not to their liking, namely Russia and America as allies in this war.

For such reasons as these, influential sections of the Catholic population of America try to hold America aloof from equal participation with Britain in the present struggle. Before the Presidential Election the democratically-inclined wing combined this with the advocacy of restricted assistance to Britain whilst the Right-wing and avowed Fascist circles advocated the refusal of every aid to Britain in her emergency. Since the presidential election, and as a result of the fall of France, there has been a greater tendency to regard assistance to Britain as inevitable, the President's line of policy being what it is. Consequently the key point at issue now is the extent and kind of assistance to be granted.


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243 posted on 09/12/2002 7:03:32 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: traditionalist
Barf alert?
244 posted on 09/12/2002 7:12:29 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Robert_Paulson2
To say that Hitler, who was a mass murderer and one of the most evil men of the 20th century, was not courageous in WWI is analogous to saying that O.J. Simpson, because he is a double murderer, was not a terrific running back in the NFL. Can you let in sink into your head that evil and physical courage are not mutually exclusive.

Would that all evil men WERE cowards. Most cowards do not even have the courage to enact their evil schemes.

245 posted on 09/12/2002 7:32:49 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: DrLiberty
My own opinion is mixed, I see pros and cons of invading or not. But it would be nice to have more people talk about the concerns of the article and the issues of Empire (and NWO) instead of just becoming a rah rah forum for any military use anywhere at any time for any goal as long as my commander in chief says "GO!"

And keep the Buchanan bashing to a minimum. Like his view or not, the guy is sharp and has a lot to say, and is a heck of a lot brighter than most on this forum who sould like idiot cheerleaders who are goose-stepping to the drums of war.

I've often wondered why so many people here think that being pro-war is being patriotic. If one's goal is to do what is in the best interests of the American people, that may very well require one to take anti-war positions from time to time. They other thing that amazes me is how many people think loyalty to America means loyalty to the current administration. Loyalty to America is a far wider grander thing than slavish devotion to the current occupant of the White House, irrespective of his IQ.

246 posted on 09/12/2002 11:56:53 PM PDT by DentsRun
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To: defenderSD
What factual basis do you have to doubt that Saddam would ever use WMD? Based on his historical behavior and thirst for revenge, I think there's a good chance he would use nukes against America and Britain.

Saddam is no threat to the U.S. Even Netanyahu says he won't have a missile capable of hitting the U.S. for another "ten to fifteen years." The country that he's really a threat to is Israel, which blew up his first nuclear power plant in 1981. But Bush can't come out and say we're attacking Iraq to defend Israel. The arabs would go nuts. Same thing if Israel attacked Hussein on her own. The Mideast would go up in flames. Israel would become a pariah nation. So we have to attack Hussein on the grounds he's a threat to world stablility and a personal threat to us. No wonder the Europeans aren't buying it. We aren't telling the truth.

247 posted on 09/13/2002 12:23:17 AM PDT by DentsRun
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To: Robert_Paulson2
I guess some alleged "christian" groups, and their leaders feel compelled to hate jews, even to the point of kissing the koran for public consumption.... One christian world leader it is reported, wants us to pray that God will forgive the murderers of Americans on 9-11... The same one that kissed the koran...

If you're accusing the pope of hating jews, why not say it straight out?

As far as forgiving one's enemies, that's the difference between the old and new testament. One says smite all your enemies, including the women and little children. And the other says turn the other cheek. Dennis Prager even had a "hate your enemy" hour on the radio after 9-11. It surreal. It was like listening to an updated version of 1984. Hate is a useless emotion when it comes to public policy. As they say in "The Godfather," don't get mad, get even.

248 posted on 09/13/2002 12:37:26 AM PDT by DentsRun
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To: hchutch
As I've explained elsewhere, this is not 1793. And the situation today is far different. The choice is between appeasement or victory.

The way I see it the choice is between empire building and minding our own business.

249 posted on 09/13/2002 12:46:33 AM PDT by DentsRun
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To: DentsRun
We WERE minding our own business on 9/10/01 and prior to that.

We were attacked.
250 posted on 09/13/2002 5:22:16 AM PDT by hchutch
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To: hchutch
Were we minding our own business when courtesy of Clinton and the neo-cons we engaged in a vicious and illegal assault on Serbia, a Christian land which had not so much as threatened to attack us?

Now, I realize that has nothing to do with 9/11 but that is merely one example of our aggressive, imperialistic foreign policy wreaking havoc on other people, no?

251 posted on 09/13/2002 5:47:00 AM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: hchutch; Robert_Paulson2; defenderSD; DrLiberty; DentsRun
We WERE minding our own business on 9/10/01 and prior to that.

column pulled from FR this am

I thought this was an interesting read, sure would like to get some of your thoughts on it.

252 posted on 09/13/2002 5:48:05 AM PDT by THEUPMAN
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To: CFW
<<<>>> looks like I killed this thread , but thought you might be interested...
253 posted on 09/13/2002 6:36:32 AM PDT by THEUPMAN
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To: hchutch
We WERE minding our own business on 9/10/01 and prior to that.

We were attacked.

And the reason we were attacked is that we have not been minding our own business in the Middle East. We've been arming, aiding, abetting, attacking and overthrowing countries there for nearly 50 years.

254 posted on 09/13/2002 11:22:18 AM PDT by DentsRun
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To: DentsRun
Sorry, I don't see anything that keeps us from helping our allies. Or would you rather sell allies down the river?
255 posted on 09/13/2002 11:36:01 AM PDT by hchutch
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To: hchutch
Sorry, I don't see anything that keeps us from helping our allies. Or would you rather sell allies down the river?

What I would rather is that Bush tell the truth. If we're going to war to help Israel, I don't see what's wrong with Bush coming out and explaining that to the American people, unless he thinks we're not capable of dealing with it.

256 posted on 09/13/2002 1:20:53 PM PDT by DentsRun
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To: THEUPMAN
I thought this was an interesting read, sure would like to get some of your thoughts on it.

It is an interesting column. Any idea why it was pulled?

257 posted on 09/13/2002 1:23:27 PM PDT by DentsRun
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To: traditionalist
ISLAM APPEARS TO BE A RELIGION OF DEATH....USE OF AMERICAN POWER IS ESSENTIAL TO PROTECT SANE AND INNOCENT PEOPLE FROM ONGOING ISLAMIC BARBARIANISM

Let's pause a moment and take the following multiple-choice test.

In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:

a. Olga Korbet b. Sitting Bull c. Arnold Schwartzeneger d. Muslim males mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by: a. Lost Norwegians b. Elvis c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women d. Muslim males mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by: a. John Dillinger b. The King of Sweden c. The Boy Scouts d. Muslim males mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by: a. A pizza delivery boy b. Pee Wee Herman c. Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day d. Muslim males mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered in his wheelchair and thrown overboard by: a. The Smurfs b. Davy Jones c. The Little Mermaid d. Muslim males mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver was murdered by: a. Captain Kidd b. Charles Lindberg c. Mother Teresa d. Muslim males mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by: a. Scooby Doo b. The Tooth Fairy c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid who had a few sticks of dynamite left over from the train job d. Muslim males mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by: a. Richard Simmons b. Grandma Moses c. Michael Jordan d. Muslim males mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by: a. Mr. Rogers b. AFOTEC action officers headed to a conf. c. The World Wrestling Federation to promote its next villain: "Mustapha the Merciless" d.Muslim males mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed and thousands of people were murdered by: a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd b. The Supreme Court of Florida c. Mr. Bean d. Muslim males mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against: a. Enron b. The Lutheran Church c. The NFL d. Muslim males mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by: a. Bonny and Clyde b. Captain Kangaroo c. Billy Graham d. Muslim males mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

American empire building as you say.... or....the way to survival of innocent people now at risk from muslim maniacs and their religion of death?

258 posted on 09/13/2002 2:09:47 PM PDT by rmvh
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To: rmvh
Yes, Islam is indeed a religion of death, and the best way to deal with is prevent Islamic immigration into America and europe.
259 posted on 09/13/2002 2:47:11 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: Phillip Augustus; rmvh
"...yes, Islam is indeed a religion of death, and the best way to deal with is prevent Islamic immigration into America and europe."

I'm afraid our President disagrees with your conclusion most heartily:

"...Why, then, did President George W. Bush on September 10th mark the eve of the anniversary of the destruction of the World Trade Towers by saying that Islam "is a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It's a faith based upon love, not hate."..."

Was Charles Martel a hate criminal?

260 posted on 09/13/2002 2:55:31 PM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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