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City May Outlaw Sniper Gun Sales
Los Angeles Daily News | 09-11-2002

Posted on 09/11/2002 6:48:26 AM PDT by boris

Los Angeles City Councilman Mark Ridley-Thomas on Tuesday introduced a motion to ban the sale of .50-caliber sniper rifles in Los Angeles.

The proposal, which will be considered by the council next week, has the support of six other council members.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol
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To: A CA Guy
May I ask, what the F would a normal person need that for? Unless they were swat folks.

The .50 BMG rifle was developed by avid long-range rifle shooters, using surplus military ammo. It began as a *sporting* firearm, which was noticed by the military and adopted for counter-sniper use in the wide-open desert terrain of the (last) Gulf War. In that regard, it's a lot like the Winchester and Remington bolt-action hunting rifles which were used by snipers in Vietnam (newer variants in 7.62 NATO, A/K/A .308 Winchester, are still in use today, alongside the bigger .50 caliber).

In answer to your question, any "normal person" who WANTS one (and is prepared to deal with outrageous ammunition cost and retina-detaching recoil) should damned well be able to buy one. Like just about all other products - from box cutters to bulldozers - if it's used legally and responsibly, it's no threat to you or anyone else.

FYI, S.W.A.T. units do not use these firearms. They make do with those .308 Winchester sniper rifles that I mentioned above. The .50 BMG rifles are just too heavy and cumbersome for the police to even consider using.

141 posted on 09/13/2002 8:29:06 AM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: A CA Guy
This legal product seems to be going through a review where in some places it will be illegal. I think a sniper type rifle or automatic weapons, or armour piercing buttets don't belong in the public arena.

Unfortunately for the gun-grabbers, the fact that the military *did* adopt these firearms for very specialized use will ensure that nobody will succeed in their attempts to outlaw them. See, now it's undeniably a "militia" weapon. I refer you to U.S. vs Miller, 1939.

You are entitled to your opinions concerning various types of firearms and ammunition. My opinion is that every adult citizen should have, at minimum, a working knowledge of and basic live-fire instruction with the standard-issue military rifle used by their country's military. Much of the fear of military-type firearms is rooted in preconception and ignorance.

142 posted on 09/13/2002 8:54:02 AM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: Charles Martel
I think I just fear where bullets might go!!!

But I have no problem with people having guns in general.
143 posted on 09/13/2002 10:55:32 AM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
I think I just fear where bullets might go!!!

Just to note, I believe that is the basic fear of all hoplophobes.

144 posted on 09/13/2002 4:28:44 PM PDT by FSPress
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To: metesky
So now we are down to name calling? What would Rush have to say about that? Sorry if I express an opinion that goes against yours and most of the others who expressed themselves. We are all intitled to our opinions and because someone disagrees with you, you turn into a bunch of arroused hornets. My opinion was just that, an opinion. I'm not out there to change your thinking. And for the individual who resorted to name calling and the accuzation that I voted for Clinton twice, sorry to say I did not. I was still in the service at the time and left after he was elected. I knew of the Clintons reputations in Arkansas before the election thanks to some of the Field Grade AKARNG officers who were students of mine. I live in NY and I can rest assure you I did all I could do to get Lazio elected. If you resort to name calling you need to grow up. And yes I had to sign off because I have far more interesting things to attend to that sit infront of a computer. This web page serves as an entertaining news source and I just browse through it. Carry on. I'll be back.
145 posted on 09/13/2002 7:13:06 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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To: FSPress
Not really, on most of the guns I have no trouble.
When you get into hunting sniper types, I want only those with hunting liscences to possess them. IMO
146 posted on 09/13/2002 7:17:51 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: Bringbackthedraft
So now we are down to name calling? What would Rush have to say about that? Sorry if I express an opinion that goes against yours and most of the others who expressed themselves. We are all intitled entitled to our opinions and because someone disagrees with you, you turn into a bunch of arroused aroused hornets. My opinion was just that, an opinion. I'm not out there to change your thinking. And for the individual who resorted to name calling and the accuzation accusation that I voted for Clinton twice, sorry to say I did not. I was still in the service at the time and left after he was elected. I knew of the Clintons Clintons' reputations in Arkansas before the election thanks to some of the Field Grade AKARNG officers who were students of mine. I live in NY and I can rest(?) assure you I did all I could do to get Lazio elected. If you resort to name calling you need to grow up. And yes I had to sign off because I have far more interesting things to attend to that sit infront in front of a computer. This web page serves as an entertaining news source and I just browse through it. Carry on. I'll be back.

I fixed your post up so it scans a little better. Spelling I can deal with, but you'll have to find the seventeen punctuation errors yourself.

What would Rush have to say about that?

I don't care what Rush, you or any other liberal has to say about anything.

Carry on.

Condescension.

I'll be back.

Followed by a threat.

147 posted on 09/13/2002 8:38:41 PM PDT by metesky
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To: A CA Guy
The second amendment is not about hunting. When you say that you only want those people with hunting licenses to have "hunting sniper types" you show yourself to be anti-gun.
148 posted on 09/13/2002 10:15:46 PM PDT by FSPress
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To: FSPress
I don't mind if people have access to most guns.

Sniper kinds seem to need looking after, as do automatic types and armor piercing bullets.

Outside of that, fire away!
149 posted on 09/13/2002 10:32:02 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
What is a sniper kind of gun, and why does it need looking after?
150 posted on 09/13/2002 11:14:50 PM PDT by FSPress
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To: Bringbackthedraft
This is an over kill weapon for the neighborhood.

Are you nuts? They're great for home defense. I keep one loaded, leaning against the nightstand and another one loaded by the front door.

But don't worry, I only use Glaser Safety hollowpoints

151 posted on 09/13/2002 11:26:32 PM PDT by TC Rider
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To: *bang_list
Bump
152 posted on 09/13/2002 11:31:51 PM PDT by FSPress
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To: boris

No officer, this isn't a .50 caliber.

153 posted on 09/13/2002 11:34:54 PM PDT by TC Rider
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To: Dark Knight
"The BFG 9000 is the better gun, from the game Doom!!! "

Here's the real thing:

See the BFG-50 at serbu.com

154 posted on 09/14/2002 7:17:12 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: A CA Guy
Sniper kinds seem to need looking after,

Good hunting rifles are sub-MOA and therefore are good sniper rifles. Why shouldn't law abiding citizens have accurate rifles? That's all a "sniper" rifle is.

as do automatic types

Auto just turns money into noise. Spray and pray isn't a very effective way of killing people. A fear of auto is typical of the ill informed.

and armor piercing bullets.

Most hunting cartridges will pierce body armor. The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to limit government power. If we keep passing laws against AP and so-called assault weapons Americans of the future will be essentially be unarmed relative to the government's forces.

What is it that you have planned for us that is so horrible we must first be disarmed. Why do you wish to render law abiding Americans defenseless?

Recommended reading:

Boston's Gun Bible

155 posted on 09/14/2002 7:19:00 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235
Unless yu are hunting armor wearing deer, you don't need piercing bullets.
You come off sounding like a Libertarian trying to justify illegal drugs when you want piercing bullets.
As far as most guns, I don't care at all.

The automatic type, piercing bullets do bother me.
The sniper kind should go to liscences qualified hunters and re-sale should be the same as well. Those have too much potential to kill folks in a terrorists hands.

Just how I feel. I'm just one person though.

I'm all for the NRA and the right to bare arms.
Wouldn't qualify a bazooka or cannon under that right either though. There is limits on everything for you but the air you breath.
156 posted on 09/14/2002 7:41:59 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: AdamSelene235
Spray and pray isn't a very effective way of killing people.

But it's a darn good way to keep the other guys' heads down while your sniper gets into position.

The military has had full auto weapons for a long time because they see a need for that ability. Against a soft target like a truck, one simply holds the trigger down until you get a secondary explosion and then shift to the next target.

I've always refered to the sound of my 12 gauge slide being racked as the second most frightening sound in the world. The first being auto weapons fire.

Auto weapons are both area denial weapons and psycological weapons. The aren't as efficient as a good shooter with an accurate non-auto weapon, but they have their place.

157 posted on 09/14/2002 7:44:05 PM PDT by Knitebane
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To: A CA Guy
Unless yu are hunting armor wearing deer, you don't need piercing bullets.

One more time. The 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting deer, or rabbits or turkeys.

It's about hunting men. Spefically military men. The purpose of the RKBA is to ensure that the people at large have the ability to remove our government if and when it comes to that.

In the modern age, the availability of highly accurate, long range weapons capable of bringing down aircraft and stopping police-grade assault vehicles is a necessity if the 2nd Amendment is to mean anything.

RKBA's secondary purpose is to ensure that this availability is well known to anyone that wishes to enforce their will on the public. It's supposed to give them pause and make them think about what might happen if the people are pushed too far.

I hope it never comes to a contest of arms against the government. I also hope that my house never burns down. I buy insurance for the latter, the RKBA is my insurance for the former

158 posted on 09/14/2002 7:51:56 PM PDT by Knitebane
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To: Knitebane
The problem for me in that is that criminals also get the stuff and attack the police.
How do you suggest that problem could be handled so your desire can come true for you?
159 posted on 09/14/2002 7:53:49 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
The problem for me in that is that criminals also get the stuff and attack the police. How do you suggest that problem could be handled so your desire can come true for you?

Ummm, we do the same thing to those people that we do to people that attack police with a 9mm pistol, 12ga shotgun, 6 inch knife, billy club, tree branch, big rock or a wet noodle.

We put them in jail for assault. If they kill the cop, we put them in jail for murder.

And by the way, this isn't a wish, it's every citizen's right under the Constitution. Some poor misguided people have passed some unconstitutional laws to restrict honest citizens of their right to protect themselves from the government. Those people should be worried. The 2nd Amendment was drafted with people like them in mind.

160 posted on 09/14/2002 8:08:20 PM PDT by Knitebane
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