[Cachelot]

I wouldn't call Gottfried self hating. Neither would I call Dan Stein such.

What I would call an anti-semitic Jew would be, for example, a Jewish anti-zionist. I'm fairly convinced that antizionism equals antisemitism.

Does the same hold true for Townhall.com which links to Sam Francis? The anti-semetism by association routine doesn't hold water.

I don't think, really, an odd link is much of an indicator. But if you look at a site where most of the links are to sites that have racism as an overwhelming theme, you have a pretty good idea.

Name one non-self-hating Jewish site that isn't?

Actually, most of those seem not to be overly concerned with race. More like concerned with a cultural identity and religious identity. Which makes perfect sense when you consider that Jews come in all kinds of colours and shapes :).

[rmlew]

I wrote:
"I wouldn't call Gottfried self hating. Neither would I call Dan Stein such."

Cachelot responded.
What I would call an anti-semitic Jew would be, for example, a Jewish anti-zionist. I'm fairly convinced that antizionism equals antisemitism.

There are religious Jews who believe that any state before the comming of the Messiah is illegitimate. They are hardly self-hating.
Those Jews who reject the idea of a Jewish state are self-hating.

"Does the same hold true for Townhall.com which links to Sam Francis? The anti-semetism by association routine doesn't hold water."

I don't think, really, an odd link is much of an indicator. But if you look at a site where most of the links are to sites that have racism as an overwhelming theme, you have a pretty good idea.

1. Francis is a columnist linked to by Townhall.com as is another even more viscious anti-Semite and Holocaust Revisionist, Joe Sobran.
2. How is VDare.com racist? Because it cares about the ethnic make-up and Heritage of America?

"Name one non-self-hating Jewish site that isn't?"

Actually, most of those seem not to be overly concerned with race. More like concerned with a cultural identity and religious identity. Which makes perfect sense when you consider that Jews come in all kinds of colours and shapes :).
Jews think of themselves as a race. Whether we call ourselves a Jew (from the tribe of Judah or the nation of Judea) or Israelite (a descendant of Jacob {racial progenator} and a nation).
Read the Bible. Jews/B'nei Yisrael are a nation defined by blood and belief and thus a people.
Cultrual Identity and Religious identity are characteristics of the race.

At any rate, how can you support the right of Jews to have a country with a defined racial or religious/cultural core and not Americans?