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I wrote:
"I wouldn't call Gottfried self hating. Neither would I call Dan Stein such."

Cachelot responded.
What I would call an anti-semitic Jew would be, for example, a Jewish anti-zionist. I'm fairly convinced that antizionism equals antisemitism.

There are religious Jews who believe that any state before the comming of the Messiah is illegitimate. They are hardly self-hating.
Those Jews who reject the idea of a Jewish state are self-hating.

"Does the same hold true for Townhall.com which links to Sam Francis? The anti-semetism by association routine doesn't hold water."

I don't think, really, an odd link is much of an indicator. But if you look at a site where most of the links are to sites that have racism as an overwhelming theme, you have a pretty good idea.

1. Francis is a columnist linked to by Townhall.com as is another even more viscious anti-Semite and Holocaust Revisionist, Joe Sobran.
2. How is VDare.com racist? Because it cares about the ethnic make-up and Heritage of America?

"Name one non-self-hating Jewish site that isn't?"

Actually, most of those seem not to be overly concerned with race. More like concerned with a cultural identity and religious identity. Which makes perfect sense when you consider that Jews come in all kinds of colours and shapes :).
Jews think of themselves as a race. Whether we call ourselves a Jew (from the tribe of Judah or the nation of Judea) or Israelite (a descendant of Jacob {racial progenator} and a nation).
Read the Bible. Jews/B'nei Yisrael are a nation defined by blood and belief and thus a people.
Cultrual Identity and Religious identity are characteristics of the race.

At any rate, how can you support the right of Jews to have a country with a defined racial or religious/cultural core and not Americans?

Those Jews who reject the idea of a Jewish state are self-hating.

That was what I said, no?

2. How is VDare.com racist? Because it cares about the ethnic make-up and Heritage of America?

You're not paying attention. I said that if VDARE places a rabid racist in a position of prominence (which he has if half the articles linked on the front page are his, for example), they are leaning in that direction and places themselves as an excellent tool for people who are, undeniably, racists. But the main thing is that they are then definitely not "mainstream".

Jews think of themselves as a race.

Some / many / most / Jews may do so. So what? That doesn't make it a fact :).

Cultrual Identity and Religious identity are characteristics of the race.

So a black Jew, a white Jew and an Indian Jew are of the same race? Not, I'm afraid.

At any rate, how can you support the right of Jews to have a country with a defined racial or religious/cultural core and not Americans?

Bah. America always were mixed nuts, at least once the nuts started getting in. And if you'd want to reserve America for a "racial core", it would be the American Indians, wouldn't it? And as I said, Jews are not a race - a certain POV doesn't make that true. So America may be a cultural unit to a large degree, and Israel too. None of them are racial units, nor should you really want them to be.