The Muslim Units of the Waffen SS

".....bashing.....Islam is very much a mixed bag with many diverse elements."

P.C. and possibly true - but can you not admit that the Islamanazis are running a monopoly on terrorist attacks against American and Jewish civilian targets?

There is a lot be furious about -- murderously angry about- and the target of all that anger just happen to be 100% Muslim! Aren't you shocked by the coincidence?

I'll get concerned about the insulted and maligned muslims in this country when they show as much anger as Americans should ALL have at this time.....

I haven't seen it.
Semper Fi

"Yeah, I really, really believe you. Yes I do."

(shrugs) Then we really have nothing more to talk about.

(Funny how it seems to have followed the lines of it, then.)

Where do you get that out of the Bible?

Most Nazi soldiers were Christian.

Obviously your idea of Christianity and mine are different. Mine comes from the Bible and the people who live by it. Yours come from those who claim the name but do not know Christ. There will be a lot in the last days, the bible also warns of that. Something along the lines of many will come before God and say "but I healed in your name, cast out demons!" And God will say "truly I say to you, I never knew you". I can call myself Christian, but does that make me one? God says you judge a tree by its fruit. That is a clue for those that need one.

There were a FEW of the high ranking ones who were into the occult, but that was hardly a widespread thing.

What do you think the SS was, a boys club? Occultism was instituted as an official ruling arm within the Nazi Empire, I do not recall any branch of the military being formed on Christianity. Oh that’s right, they were killing Christians in the gas chambers too, not just Jews.

they did the same thing Christians everywhere do when a war comes around: they followed orders and begged God to be forgiven for any sins they might commit while doing it.

When the soldier came to Christ and asked what must he do, Christ said be a good soldier, do not murder, or steal. Murder and kill are two different words, he chose the word murder not kill. Being a soldier is a very honorable profession, for "he who will lay down their life for a friend is a friend indeed!"

That's right, but he was no Christian I'd recognize...I was raised Christian. I respect Christianity.

You may have been raised a Christian, but you still need to understand what it is, not just respect it. I got a note for you, I was raised in a Southern Baptist family. I figured out Christianity without their help. They never explained to me the concept of messiah. Jesus was a get out of jail free card to them. I guess I was too busy looking at the mess they were making of their lives by living outside of what is printed in the book (that they were beating me with). I actually read it, they just went to a building and got lectured on it once a week. I would suspect that we came out of the same mold, I just broke out a little early.

Once I figured it out, with the help of my black sheep cousin with long hair, I started living by what was in the book, not by what was being put on me by my family. Strange the changes that made in my life. It ended up changing my whole family. I guess they read the part about trees and fruit.

You need to apply that teaching, because also in the last days according to what is in the book there will be a famine, a famine of the teachings of God from in the Book. Show me Christmas, good Friday or Easter in the Bible. Nice cake, made with plaster and paint. Bit heavy. If you eat it, it will break your teeth. Tell me, what significance does the Passover meal (from inside the pages) have with Christians? If you cannot answer, you do not know Christianity, you know Churchianity. Looks close but is NOT the same thing. I suspect you were raised a Churchian, not a Christian.

Figure it out, you will be glad you did.

"Where do you get that out of the Bible?"

I Meant denomenational (sp?) lines.

Okay, so we're on the same page with what makes a real Christian and what doesn't: not just belief but deeds over words.

However, when you say the Nazis as a whole were occultists, that is not true: they may have followed an ideology that had occultist trappings but most of them professed Christianity. I doubt a lot of them even knew where the symbology came from. The celebration of Christmas is a reworking of the ancient Pagan winter celebrations, but you don't call every Christian who celebrates it in the common manner a pagan, do you?

Past that, I'm not going to measure virtual penis sizes with you over who's got the better understanding of Christianity.

The core of my point is not to slam Christianity over what so-called Christians do. My point was, and still is, that human beings are capable of being bastards regardless of what religion they profess. And that is a point that I'm quite sure you can agree with.

J

I don't entirely disagree. My main concern is that indiscriminate bashing of one group almost always leads to the undermining of civil liberty of other groups. A case in point is the plain language of the Patroit Act which, when applied both now in the future, will *primarily* limit the freedoms of non-Islamic American *citizens." Can you imagine what a President Hillary Clinton will do with the Patriot Act? It won't be pretty.

The best defense of the rights of all Americans is to consistently defend the application of the Bill of Rights for all Americans, Muslim, Christian, or otherwise. Otherwise, we will get a heap of trouble in the future.

"....indiscriminate bashing of one group almost always leads to the undermining of civil liberty of other groups."

I disagree.

It is NOT "indiscriminate bashing" to say that the radical militant Islamic proponents and their sponsors are in fact our enemy.

These muslims have been quite clear, it deciding that we were their enemy and they have been attacking us at will for at least the past 8 years or more.

I believe it is long past time - for us to take their challenge and agressiveness seriously - and set about to destroy them where THEY live and flourish.

If there are muslims in the world that wish to join us in destroying the criminal murderous radicals within their Islamic community - they may do so, as Turkey, the Northern alliance in Afghanistan and as some in Pakistan and Indonesia have already done.

I'm sure you don't regard the murderous intent against a delared enemy to be "indiscrimaninate bashing" --- I think of it as SPECIFIC BASHING which needs to be devastating and kill the bastards by the 10s of thousands, or more...
Semper Fi

I agree that radical muslim militants are our enemy. My response was to the tendency to bash "Muslims" per se. Get it?

How do YOU distinguish between the "Good" Muslims, and the "Bad" Muslims?

Semper Fi

How do YOU distinguish between the "Good" Muslims, and the "Bad" Muslims?

Actually - there is a good case for "bashing" all Muslims -- the "Bad ones" for their deeds, and the "Good ones" for their silence and tolerance of evil within their midst.

Do you doubt for a moment - that if a gang of thugs were committing mayhem in the name of "the church" that our present day congregations would not attempt to root the bastards out and condemn them?

You need look no further than the grief delivered to the Catholic homosexual child molesting priests.

Semper Fi

bttt

whoaaaaaah now wait a minute

First of all I think it unfair to use broad sweeping statements to peg a whole race of people. Guess what? You find extermists in every religion. And as for Islam, there are four schools of thought and WHABIS (the Saudi crew) are not one of them. In Saudi and many other Islamic countries, they practice a brand of Islam that is not agreed upon nor accepted by the majority. In fact these countries have their people living in fear...and trust me they are not happy that these people are in power. Prime example is Egypt...where neighbour snitches on neighbour, where they live in fear of the secret police and basically toe the party line so that they do not lose their homes, businesses or end up doing time. But people, this is not Islam! This is a few people telling the "West" what Islam is. I wish nothing more than they would all come down with lock-jaw.

As for the Croat/Nazi connection.....

No mention is made of the other countries that were cheerleaders for Hitler and his merry band. America would have not been involved with WW2 if Japan had not bombed Pearl Habour. And the British would have been doing the goose step...not raving the night away. Churchill was so sure that he was going to lose the war. Let's not forget about the Ship of Fools. No one wanted to accept these people. Then you have France who was more than thrilled with what was going on. They are still notorious anti this and anti that.

So I guess my long winded point is this....not everyone in Croatia was polishing up their arm bands and growing the micro mustache...forgotten are the great number of Muslims who fought, and fought hard against what they saw happening.
Just as many Germans tried to fight but were given a one way ticket to the ovens. (Talk to my grandfather, he was beaten, interned and my family which once numbered 100s is now down to 5.) Many people came out of poverty and decided it was easier to go along than to be slaugtered. Many did it to protect their families. Many of us are here today because our great grandparents and grandparents decided to just go with the flow. But do not try to make a connections between Islam and Nazis, just as I do not make a connection between Americans and bingo halls and trailer parks.

A question...would you go along with something that you morally or religiously disagreed with to keep your daughter from being raped....from your children being starved to death, from you getting a bullet to the head? If you said yes, and really mean it...you have my respect....to those who said no...you are human.

bttt