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To: jedwardtremlett
(Funny how it seems to have followed the lines of it, then.)

Where do you get that out of the Bible?

Most Nazi soldiers were Christian.

Obviously your idea of Christianity and mine are different. Mine comes from the Bible and the people who live by it. Yours come from those who claim the name but do not know Christ. There will be a lot in the last days, the bible also warns of that. Something along the lines of many will come before God and say "but I healed in your name, cast out demons!" And God will say "truly I say to you, I never knew you". I can call myself Christian, but does that make me one? God says you judge a tree by its fruit. That is a clue for those that need one.

There were a FEW of the high ranking ones who were into the occult, but that was hardly a widespread thing.

What do you think the SS was, a boys club? Occultism was instituted as an official ruling arm within the Nazi Empire, I do not recall any branch of the military being formed on Christianity. Oh that’s right, they were killing Christians in the gas chambers too, not just Jews.

they did the same thing Christians everywhere do when a war comes around: they followed orders and begged God to be forgiven for any sins they might commit while doing it.

When the soldier came to Christ and asked what must he do, Christ said be a good soldier, do not murder, or steal. Murder and kill are two different words, he chose the word murder not kill. Being a soldier is a very honorable profession, for "he who will lay down their life for a friend is a friend indeed!"

That's right, but he was no Christian I'd recognize...I was raised Christian. I respect Christianity.

You may have been raised a Christian, but you still need to understand what it is, not just respect it. I got a note for you, I was raised in a Southern Baptist family. I figured out Christianity without their help. They never explained to me the concept of messiah. Jesus was a get out of jail free card to them. I guess I was too busy looking at the mess they were making of their lives by living outside of what is printed in the book (that they were beating me with). I actually read it, they just went to a building and got lectured on it once a week. I would suspect that we came out of the same mold, I just broke out a little early.

Once I figured it out, with the help of my black sheep cousin with long hair, I started living by what was in the book, not by what was being put on me by my family. Strange the changes that made in my life. It ended up changing my whole family. I guess they read the part about trees and fruit.

You need to apply that teaching, because also in the last days according to what is in the book there will be a famine, a famine of the teachings of God from in the Book. Show me Christmas, good Friday or Easter in the Bible. Nice cake, made with plaster and paint. Bit heavy. If you eat it, it will break your teeth. Tell me, what significance does the Passover meal (from inside the pages) have with Christians? If you cannot answer, you do not know Christianity, you know Churchianity. Looks close but is NOT the same thing. I suspect you were raised a Churchian, not a Christian.

Figure it out, you will be glad you did.

123 posted on 09/10/2002 9:48:39 PM PDT by American in Israel
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To: American in Israel
"Where do you get that out of the Bible?"

I Meant denomenational (sp?) lines.

Okay, so we're on the same page with what makes a real Christian and what doesn't: not just belief but deeds over words.

However, when you say the Nazis as a whole were occultists, that is not true: they may have followed an ideology that had occultist trappings but most of them professed Christianity. I doubt a lot of them even knew where the symbology came from. The celebration of Christmas is a reworking of the ancient Pagan winter celebrations, but you don't call every Christian who celebrates it in the common manner a pagan, do you?

Past that, I'm not going to measure virtual penis sizes with you over who's got the better understanding of Christianity.

The core of my point is not to slam Christianity over what so-called Christians do. My point was, and still is, that human beings are capable of being bastards regardless of what religion they profess. And that is a point that I'm quite sure you can agree with.

J
124 posted on 09/10/2002 10:04:54 PM PDT by jedwardtremlett
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