'Wichita Horror' trial to begin

Washington Times ^ | 9/09/02 | Valerie Richardson

[Jalapeno]

Thanks for the information. I get the feeling that because this crime was not reported widely and the accusations of a hate crime will give it plenty of press now when it goes to trial. Evidenced by Court TV carrying it live.

What a horrible sick crime this was.

[Joe Brower]

[I. Ben Hurt]

According to the Wichita Eagle "prosecuters will have to deal with inconclusive eye-witness testimony and spotty DNA evidence".

That statement scares me.

[okie01]

"Is this the only basis for "hate" or did the perps say things that would lead you to suspect the killings were racially motivated?"

They did.

Not that it should make any difference, whatsoever.

[I. Ben Hurt]

According to one of the brother's attorney, "we're going to be pointing fingers at each other a lot". It's probably a good thing they are being tried together.

Reginal Carr had personal belongings of the victims on him when he was arrested within hours of the murder. There should be a conviction of both unless someone screws-up big time!!

[I. Ben Hurt]

murder..make that murder(s). Four people were killed plus the little dog of the lone survivor.

[ozzymandus]

Unfortunately, D.A. Nola Fulston is a total incompetent. She blew a murder trial in which the killer of a man and his 2 daughters was caught after driving the victim's car to Florida. She's typical of the "cute girl prosecutors" so beloved by the PC system.

[RightOnline]

"Reginald and Jonathan Carr were merely performing an act of revolutionary violence/symbolic speech demonstrating solidarity with all oppressed peoples of the earth in partial reparation for years of their subjugation at the hands of the white, male, pig oppressor class.

Aren't Reginald and Jonathan the real victims here?"

Say..............you're pretty good at that. Of course, it's only a matter of time before we read this for "real" somewhere.

[Billthedrill]

If any of those people would have had a handgun--say a .45--BAM BAM. The innocent would be alive, the guilty dead, and no trial would be needed.

I wish that were true. If any of the real victims had capped the perps the media would be in a frenzy that it was a racially-motivated hate crime. Jesse and Al would be flying in to organize protests and we'd all be reminded daily of how institutional racism is to blame.

On an only slightly less cynical note, I'd be happy if the verdict really did put these guys away for life, but given the propensity of our enlightened court system to release this sort of prisoner so they can pack a couple of dope-smokers into that cell, I don't have a real warm and fuzzy feeling. I think that the death penalty should be rare and well-publicized, but I'd volunteer to push the lever on this pair.

[I. Ben Hurt]

She blew a murder trial in which the killer of a man and his 2 daughters

If I remember correctly, it was Nola's predecessor that blew that case and helped her defeat him in the next election. I don't know how to research that but that's how I remember it.

According to the Wichita Eagle, her conviction rate has dropped a bunch.

[amigatec]

I was living in Pittsburg Kansas at the time that Stephanie Schmidt was raped, sodomized, and murdered. And thanks to her killer, Donald Gideon, and Stephanie’s family, Kansas now has a Death Penalty. Gideon got the “hard 40", 40 years without Parole. At least these clowns will get what they deserve.

[alfa6]

TS thanks for the ping. Saw this thread early this morning but was at work.

KS Flyover, thanks for the links, this should be an interesting case, I will need to try and follow this.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

[UCANSEE2]

This was truly a HATE CRIME, according to the definitions of the words. These four people were tortured, driven around in their own vehicles, taken to different locations, and while on a playing field, the men were forced to watch the rape of the women, then they were killed.

The MEDIA glossed over this because it was a 'political hot-potato'.

My prediction: David Westerfield will rot in prison (and Danielle's killer will run free) while these two will get away with murder, even though there is plenty of physical proof they did it.

I hope I am 100% wrong.

[I. Ben Hurt]

Ucansee2--Your prediction is exactly what I'm fearing regarding this case. Hope we are both wrong.

[gcruse]

Fact is that it isn't worse, regardless of the race involved. It is "a guy" who dies, not a race.

Exactly.

[Fishrrman]

For a complete, detailed story of the Wichita Massacre, go here:
http://amren.com/wichita/index.htm

One of the most compelling reads of your life....

- John

[UCANSEE2]

The murder of any human being is atrocious.

When the murder is done solely based on a difference in 'race', it is termed a HATE CRIME.

The two men that perpetrated this crime did not rob the four students. It wasn't over political difference.

They raped and killed the four students because they were white, and the perpetrators were black. They raped the women in front of the men. They did it in pure HATE and EVIL.

The newspapers suppressed it, choosing to hide the race of the perpetrators.

It is a very touchy subject, apparently. The rules don't work both directions. Even though they should.

It boils down to KILLING someone for FUN, knowing YOU WILL GET AWAY WITH IT, because society if 'afraid' of you.

The individuals that did it should be punished, no matter what race. BUT the crime was done based on race.

[gcruse]

Yes, it had a racial component. The fact that rape and murder were involved should have them executed. Anything more is wasted.

[UCANSEE2]

Anything more is wasted.

I would have to agree. Have a fair trial and if proved guilty, Death penalty for rape/murder and get it over with.

Otherwise it is just fluff to sell newspapers.

Now, if the evidence proves guilt, and they are let go, or given a light sentence, what would your feelings then be?